SOTS2 fixed.

Tredecim

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12 years ago

Nov 16, 2012, 11:35:14 PM

Igncom1 wrote:
Hard to come back from a screw up, but the devs cared about SOTS 1 who also had a shoddy release.

If that's any indication, SOTS2 will end up being a great game.

Hopefully

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Oct 21, 2012, 12:22:26 AM

nats wrote:
An 'all clear' from the very developers who released it completely bust in the first place doesn't carry much weight in my book I am afraid.

In the first place, you could easily accuse the publisher.

I have no bias in the matter (never played SOTS nor was ever seriously invested in researching it) but judging this notice based on the first release seems a bit shortsighted.

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12 years ago

Oct 21, 2012, 8:06:59 AM

Kerberos had problems with some of it's staff leaving and/or money problems. Mecron is still partly to blame, but I think we can forgive them now that they worked a whole year to try to fix the mess, and especially when they're trying to avoid a further situation of this kind by "kickstarting" The Pit.

Your loss - obviously. Several reviewing sites have re-reviewed and given the game upwards to 9/10 now

Got any links please?

Mansen

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Mansen

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12 years ago

Oct 21, 2012, 8:15:36 AM

Hope you know Danish - otherwise it's going to be a google translate nightmare lol

http://www.kerberos-productions.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=35634

(I can translate a few lines for you if you find anything important though :sweat

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12 years ago

Oct 21, 2012, 12:08:29 PM

Mansen wrote:
Your loss - obviously. Several reviewing sites have re-reviewed and given the game upwards to 9/10 now

Well when I read several major review that says that, I might reconsider, but I do not entirely trust a developer who releases a bust game and more fool you if you do. There is nothing wrong with looking around for other supporting evidence of the games playable state if you are interested in the game (personally I am not as I didn't like the first one) but if its just Eurogamer that you are referring to that isnt exactly major evidence of a great game - 1 revised review - is it?

Either way I do not trust reviewers on the whole these days. If I read substantial good comments on their forum, and see several good reviews, plus I can play a demo showing the gameplay is ok, then and only then would I even consider touching a game by a developer with such a tattered reputation.

But TBH I have loads of games to play, and loads more I could buy, by developers who have and continue to release reasonably solid products. I cannot be bothered with developers who release rubbish and then spend ages trying to fix it whilst they wine and dine on their fan's cash. If that makes me a cynical old sod then so be it. I just don't have money to chuck around anymore like I used to though, and I like to think I am a bit more sensible these days that I used to be as well.

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12 years ago

Oct 21, 2012, 12:12:04 PM

So you want more reviews (on a weekend at that - you're not going to see anything for at least a few days or a week if we're talking video) yet you don't trust or put any weight in them anyway? ... right.

. And instead of keeping your clear opinions to yourself (you've already voiced them - made your case clear), you keep imposing them on others. It doesn't make you an old cynical sod - it might be considered being a tool however (but lets leave personal opinions of you out of that...)

Baseline - If you didn't like the first game, then you are not going to like this either. It is SOTS 2.0, not "We took SOTS and changed it completely for the _____ audience".

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12 years ago

Oct 21, 2012, 2:31:36 PM

Well, it has changed significantly from the first game (though maybe not in the good direction, but I haven't played it much yet so I'm not really qualified to tell).

If you want reviews, you can always look at comments on metacritic :

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/sword-of-the-stars-ii-lords-of-winter/user-reviews?sort-by=date&num_items=100

The most recent ones tend to be positive, the 3.8/10 rating is still FAR from SotS1 9.3/10, but it's because it's weighted down by all the earlier awful grades :

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/sword-of-the-stars-complete-collection/user-reviews?sort-by=date&num_items=100

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12 years ago

Oct 21, 2012, 6:34:21 PM

Mansen wrote:
So you want more reviews (on a weekend at that - you're not going to see anything for at least a few days or a week if we're talking video) yet you don't trust or put any weight in them anyway? ... right. . And instead of keeping your clear opinions to yourself (you've already voiced them - made your case clear), you keep imposing them on others. It doesn't make you an old cynical sod - it might be considered being a tool however (but lets leave personal opinions of you out of that...)

Baseline - If you didn't like the first game, then you are not going to like this either. It is SOTS 2.0, not "We took SOTS and changed it completely for the _____ audience".

Can't you take people disagreeing with your opinion or something?

Whatever. I really cannot be bothered arguing with someone who cannot handle an argument in a reasonable way. Discuss this without me I'm out of here.

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12 years ago

Oct 21, 2012, 8:28:05 PM

There is a difference between voicing your opinion and continously harping on about how you dislike something. But that is of course only my humble opinion.

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12 years ago

Nov 16, 2012, 6:18:00 PM

http://www.paradoxplaza.com/press/2012/11/sword-of-the-stars-ii-expanded-into-new-enhanced-edition

New stuff, and a free expansion for people who still have the game.

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12 years ago

Nov 16, 2012, 6:41:22 PM

I just received the press release for that - it's nice to see they've not abandoned the game yet and still release some additional content for free to people who've sunk hard earned cash into the game.

I'm yet to properly play it as the launch was so disastrous I decided to stay away until everything was considered 'fixed'. Had enough disappointments in this genre to last a lifetime already

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12 years ago

Nov 16, 2012, 9:00:51 PM

EvilTactician wrote:
... Had enough disappointments in this genre to last a lifetime already

lol poor you?

but yeah, addons for the first one is a kind gesture!

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12 years ago

Nov 16, 2012, 11:09:35 PM

Hard to come back from a screw up, but the devs cared about SOTS 1 who also had a shoddy release.

If that's any indication, SOTS2 will end up being a great game.

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12 years ago

Oct 20, 2012, 9:24:44 PM

Your loss - obviously. Several reviewing sites have re-reviewed and given the game upwards to 9/10 now

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12 years ago

Nov 17, 2012, 12:31:48 AM

Looking forward to trying out the new race.

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12 years ago

Nov 17, 2012, 11:07:58 AM

I shall definitely look into getting the enhanced edition when it comes out.

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12 years ago

Nov 17, 2012, 12:03:06 PM

ZZGashi wrote:
I shall definitely look into getting the enhanced edition when it comes out.

If you already own SOTS2, then its free!

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12 years ago

Nov 19, 2012, 1:31:49 PM

Igncom1 wrote:
If you already own SOTS2, then its free!

Unfortunately I decided not to pick it up when it was on sale a couple of weeks back, perhaps another chance will pop-up around the time the enhanced edition comes out.

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12 years ago

Nov 19, 2012, 4:51:38 PM

You should receive it when you register the game.

So no worry.

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12 years ago

Nov 19, 2012, 10:58:18 PM

Yeah you should receive the expansion for free if you buy the game before it releases - Have a feeling they'll auto add it on all the digital platforms based on purchase date.

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12 years ago

Nov 20, 2012, 4:24:16 AM

I think you're right on that one Mansen, about the auto-add for the Enhanced Edition. Kerberos really loves the work they do and if you've been around from the beginning of SOTS Prime like I have and gotten to know the members of their development team a bit you find that they (for the most part.. 1 member i have issues with but will not name names... no drama) are really really great people who care what their 'friends' think of their game they bought.

I still play SOTS 2 off and on, kinda drifted away from Prime... Endless Space kinda took up that ones place. For some reason, I really like Endless Space... but it kinda feels like it lacks depth or some tangible story I can touch or feel I'm part. With SOTS (1 and 2) there is a background story, a reason for all that's going on. One of the Devs even published a story that came out with the initial release of the game that gave depth and story that made you feel you were part of that universe. A second story is suppose to be released soon to explain the goings on in the SOTS2 time that the Devs have worked around to give you a feel of being again part of the story.

Endless Space, I kinda try to imagine it as a universe more like the universe of Dune (if any of you remember that story line). But I still keep having problems trying to attach myself to the Endless Space universe.

I think one of the things that has helped Kereros in this area is the three main developers are published authors of good stories. They even have gone out of their way to make suggestions and give advice to my story writing in how to write better, complete what I write, and eventually get the story I'm working on published.

Perhaps if Amplitude doesn't have someone that's a true author (and I mean someone who primarily writes stories) on their development team, they might ask someone from their following to help write a background story/heartbeat to Endless Space to give it some depth and a feeling of being part of that universe.

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12 years ago

Dec 2, 2012, 11:12:42 PM

Watch out, the Enhanced Edition deletes your previous save games! Where have we seen that before? :rolleyes:

http://www.kerberos-productions.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=37843&hilit=saves

http://forums.amplitude-studios.com/showthread.php?10442-Can-not-load-saved-game-screen-empty-but-files-there

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12 years ago

Dec 3, 2012, 6:16:43 PM

So what is the overall verdict? Is the game worth trying now? I'm going to have some extra money soon, and I want another sci-fi game to play.

Igncom1

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12 years ago

Dec 3, 2012, 7:13:42 PM

The enhanced version just came out, and the game is entirely playable.

There are still some bugs (But what game doesn't right?) but you should enjoy the game.

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12 years ago

Dec 3, 2012, 7:40:56 PM

Alright, I'll give it a shot, if the price is right.

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12 years ago

Dec 4, 2012, 9:51:14 AM

SotS 1 and 2 were on sale for -50% (9.99€ each) during the autumn sale. It's likely there will be a discount again during the Christmas sale.

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12 years ago

Aug 2, 2012, 12:37:25 PM

What is this game about? I read it has a lot of bugs, how is this patch any different?

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12 years ago

Jul 27, 2012, 12:37:56 AM

Gah, you're tempting me!

It's going to be hard to resist, but I'll keep on waiting for the "all clear" from Mecron I think.

Igncom1

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12 years ago

Jul 27, 2012, 1:32:22 AM

I wish i had a DX10 card so i could give it a go.

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12 years ago

Jul 27, 2012, 6:23:15 AM

I bought the game at launch and followed it's 'post-release' development progress.

While it isn't as much of a trainwreck as it was on release, the game is playable, but it doesn't bring home that replayability that the first one did for me. I don't know how to phrase it, but I wasn't inclined to replay it as much as I'd hope for.

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12 years ago

Jul 27, 2012, 2:45:13 PM

SOTS1 did take a long time to fix all of its launch problems and make it into a classic.

SOTS2 has had a hard life, but im sure it will be at least 'Good' once they move onto expansions.

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embair

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12 years ago

Jul 27, 2012, 2:56:49 PM

For what it's worth, a friend who keeps trying the game regularly since release told me that currently it is playable but the AI is still too broken to allow a reasonably challenging game. Kerberos made a giant progress, no doubt about that. But IMHO it might still be better to wait for the 'all clear' flag.

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12 years ago

Jul 27, 2012, 4:03:55 PM

Igncom1 wrote:
SOTS1 did take a long time to fix all of its launch problems and make it into a classic.

SOTS2 has had a hard life, but im sure it will be at least 'Good' once they move onto expansions.

Who says SOTS is a classic? Nowhere near in my book. I wouldn't buy a game that was initially released in a terrible state on principle even if it was made playable later. I don't reward behaviour like that with my hard earned valuable cash. Better things to spend my money on.

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12 years ago

Jul 27, 2012, 5:26:54 PM

Yes because the product is the same how it was released now.

Your not rewarding behavior, you buying a product based on its worth.

If you base a game on how its released then you wont have many games, and would also indicate you don't even own endless space.

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12 years ago

Jul 28, 2012, 10:23:02 PM

Still needs improvements.

nats

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12 years ago

Jul 29, 2012, 9:01:36 PM

Igncom1 wrote:
Your not rewarding behavior, you buying a product based on its worth.

No I am voicing my displeasure at the state of this game on release and speaking with my wallet. But mostly I didn't like the first SOTS game at all anyway so I wouldn't buy it even if it was perfect.

Igncom1 wrote:
If you base a game on how its released then you wont have many games, and would also indicate you don't even own endless space.

I don't have many recent games and I am buying less every year it seems. This year I have bought five games so far, only two of which I have played with any degree of enthusiasm. Three of them are quite old and reasonably patched. I am trying to buy far less new games than I used to as games are generally coming out bugged now.

One game I bought because it was an interesting niche game like ES and I trusted the developers to patch it up but they dropped it after release pretty much. I wont be buying anything else off them, and I will be strongly voicing my displeasure in their forum when they finally release their DLC that they have mentioned recently.

Honestly, I made a mistake buying Endless Space when I did - I broke my rule of not buying without playing a demo and waiting for several weeks for forum reviews. What can I say I am only human. I would have been better waiting for the game to be sorted before buying. But I was bored and needed a game to play that is my only excuse. Again I trust the developer to add stuff but no that doesn't make releasing an unfinished game any better in my book. I like these developers and trust them quite a bit though. So I am more willing to bide my time and am trying not to complain too loudly about the limitations of the game until I see what happens over the next few weeks.

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12 years ago

Aug 2, 2012, 1:03:40 AM

Igncom1 wrote:

If you base a game on how its released then you wont have many games, and would also indicate you don't even own endless space.

you are completly right, ES is half baked right now and needs more time, but man what a delicious smell is coming out from the kitchen!!

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12 years ago

Aug 2, 2012, 2:09:36 AM

did they remove the moronic fleet constraint ?

P.S

Kragge wrote:
you are completly right, ES is half baked right now and needs more time, but man what a delicious smell is coming out from the kitchen!!

If ES is halfbaked right now then Sots2 was a recipe on a table at relase NOTHING worked in that game

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12 years ago

Aug 2, 2012, 2:55:02 AM

The fleet constraint where you have to give fleets orders instead of just moving them around?

No that's still there.

(And to be fair ES is as shallow as skyrim right now)

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12 years ago

Jul 27, 2012, 12:33:18 AM

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurogamer.dk%2Farticles%2F2012-07-26-sword-of-the-stars-ii-klar-til-gaming

I have seen the game being fixed from time to time, but now are the reviewers.

If you guys still own the game, now might be the time to give it a second chance.

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12 years ago

Aug 2, 2012, 1:00:53 PM

ncknck wrote:
What is this game about? I read it has a lot of bugs, how is this patch any different?

SOTS(1 and 2) are also 4X turn based strategy games - though the way the "work" is a bit different. (I won't go into detail here, plenty of videos and such to explain)

/ontopic: I tried going back to SOTS2... a month and a half ago. The performance was just horrid - at around turn 100 I just gave up on the game I was playing due to the long waiting with every decision I made in the game from either loading/saving or the GUI taking forever to load stuff up.

And I love(d) SOTS prime (that's SOTS after last patch fyi). Everything was super fast - even on a crappy old laptop.

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12 years ago

Aug 2, 2012, 5:25:48 PM

A more recent look, still kinda bad but better then launch.

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12 years ago

Aug 4, 2012, 1:45:58 AM

Tried playing SOTS 1 complete. I couldn't do it. It's so damned dated after having played ES and seeing SOTS2.

Igncom1

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12 years ago

Oct 19, 2012, 5:11:51 AM

http://www.kerberos-productions.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=35604

The All Clear, the game should now be in a good position.

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Oct 19, 2012, 12:34:23 PM

Igncom1 wrote:
http://www.kerberos-productions.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=35604

The All Clear, the game should now be in a good position.

Awesome, maybe finally time to buy it

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12 years ago

Oct 19, 2012, 12:46:26 PM

Igncom1 wrote:
http://www.kerberos-productions.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=35604

The All Clear, the game should now be in a good position.

Nice, might give it a try

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12 years ago

Oct 20, 2012, 9:07:40 AM

Same thoughts as the last two posts.

And look at this, it is on sale.

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12 years ago

Oct 20, 2012, 10:32:32 AM

It certainly runs a lot better on my high end machine now than it used to - still a few annoyances here and there but I might actually want to finish a game now.

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12 years ago

Oct 20, 2012, 12:39:14 PM

Mansen wrote:
It certainly runs a lot better on my high end machine now than it used to - still a few annoyances here and there but I might actually want to finish a game now.

Good news then, I might get it when my new Laptop arrives

(should be next week)

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Oct 20, 2012, 2:06:56 PM

Steam Christmas/Winter sale at best.

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Oct 20, 2012, 8:27:28 PM

Igncom1 wrote:
http://www.kerberos-productions.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=35604

The All Clear, the game should now be in a good position.

An 'all clear' from the very developers who released it completely bust in the first place doesn't carry much weight in my book I am afraid.