@LeaderEnemyBoss

Thank you so much for making this, it improves on an already great game. I really hope Amplitude gives you some sort of kickback/reward for your outstanding work.

I agree with buffing mercenaries/privateers to make them more viable, but am unsure of the best way to do so. Perhaps adding more late game mercenary designs that use exotic resources? *shrug*

nice!

Another superb patch. Lots of smart changes.

The nerf on military strenght of Urkans was very needed. And the buff of Mykaras was too, mandatory !

EVERY players have expressed than Mykara are very underpowered. You're saving this faction, literally unplayable in multiplayer.

I invite anyone who has not done so, to install this jewel !

I was convinced when I saw "Allows the use of steam workshop mods without disabling Achievements" and "Assimilation effects are now displayed in the tooltip of Villages as well". The rest was icing on the cake that I've been looking for!

icarium wrote:

I think I might have found a problem with the newest version (2.3.8) of the community patch.

Having played three different 3-4 continents, huge world, slow speed games - the AI doesn't seem to build any cargo docks. So if you dont have a road connection, external trade routes are not possible. Most of the AI's seem to have the cargo dock tech however.

Has anyone else experienced the same issue?

edit:typo

I would require more inforemation, for example: what difficulty do you play? In general AIs will build cargo docks eventually, but they may just be busy with too much other stuff to do so. You can ofcourse always send a save.

Morgawr - Turn 213_missing_AI_cargo_docks.sav

Here is the save game file. My game settings are huge world, slow speed, 8 factions, 50% water, 2-4 continents, hard difficulty level. As you can see, there are no external trade routes active despite having peace with most factions. I can't find any AI cities with cargo docks built. The same problem has persisted for 3-4 games already, using this and the previous version of community patch.

Thanks for the outstanding mod BTW, The Community Patch takes Endless Legend from 7/10 4x game to 9.5/10 level at least!

Wow, thanks for the analysis! I managed to start inter-faction trade by settling a city in Canjor. However for some reason trading the cargo docks technology to orange wasn’t possible, for some reason the tech wasn’t among choices to sell in the diplomacy negotiation window :/

icarium wrote:

Wow, thanks for the analysis! I managed to start inter-faction trade by settling a city in Canjor. However for some reason trading the cargo docks technology to orange wasn’t possible, for some reason the tech wasn’t among choices to sell in the diplomacy negotiation window :/

Whoops, totally forgot, Morgawr have a special dock technology, that cant be traded to other factions (due to it being an era earlier).

LeaderEnemyBoss wrote:

icarium wrote:

Wow, thanks for the analysis! I managed to start inter-faction trade by settling a city in Canjor. However for some reason trading the cargo docks technology to orange wasn’t possible, for some reason the tech wasn’t among choices to sell in the diplomacy negotiation window :/

Whoops, totally forgot, Morgawr have a special dock technology, that cant be traded to other factions (due to it being an era earlier).

Ok, that makes sense. Perhaps these difficulties in setting up inter-faction trade (and totally nullified trade routes during winter) are a welcome drawback to Morgawr, who otherwise seem to be quite a powerful faction currently, especially with rare strategic/luxury resources setting.

BTW, is it thought that the current strategic resource yields from ocean fortresses is well balanced? Do the resources setting in world generation options affect fortress production in any way? It seems that by controlling the oceans one can pretty much steamroll other factions via much better strategic/luxury yields. For example in my savegame only the red AI (drakken) has made any proggress in claiming the oceans on hard difficulty level.

icarium wrote:

LeaderEnemyBoss wrote:

icarium wrote:

Wow, thanks for the analysis! I managed to start inter-faction trade by settling a city in Canjor. However for some reason trading the cargo docks technology to orange wasn’t possible, for some reason the tech wasn’t among choices to sell in the diplomacy negotiation window :/

Whoops, totally forgot, Morgawr have a special dock technology, that cant be traded to other factions (due to it being an era earlier).

Ok, that makes sense. Perhaps these difficulties in setting up inter-faction trade (and totally nullified trade routes during winter) are a welcome drawback to Morgawr, who otherwise seem to be quite a powerful faction currently, especially with rare strategic/luxury resources setting.

BTW, is it thought that the current strategic resource yields from ocean fortresses is well balanced? Do the resources setting in world generation options affect fortress production in any way? It seems that by controlling the oceans one can pretty much steamroll other factions via much better strategic/luxury yields. For example in my savegame only the red AI (drakken) has made any proggress in claiming the oceans on hard difficulty level.

Fortresses have already been toned down in ELCP. Morgawr are in general expected to be dominant on the seas, I see no problem with that. Their weakness is usually their land cities being susceptible to war. If you dont feel challenged, you should rather increase the difficulty and (imo) deactivate shared victory since it makes AIs more docile in the end game.

LeaderEnemyBoss wrote:

Fortresses have already been toned down in ELCP. Morgawr are in general expected to be dominant on the seas, I see no problem with that. Their weakness is usually their land cities being susceptible to war. If you dont feel challenged, you should rather increase the difficulty and (imo) deactivate shared victory since it makes AIs more docile in the end game.

Ok, many thanks for your advice! One question concerning the 'disable shared victory' part - does that mean that if AI's are allied with the player, they may adopt some docile tactics in the endgame if they think they'll easily win alongside the human player? Or is there some other reason or weird effect going on, that makes having the 'shared victory' option easier for the human player?

icarium wrote:

LeaderEnemyBoss wrote:

Fortresses have already been toned down in ELCP. Morgawr are in general expected to be dominant on the seas, I see no problem with that. Their weakness is usually their land cities being susceptible to war. If you dont feel challenged, you should rather increase the difficulty and (imo) deactivate shared victory since it makes AIs more docile in the end game.

Ok, many thanks for your advice! One question concerning the 'disable shared victory' part - does that mean that if AI's are allied with the player, they may adopt some docile tactics in the endgame if they think they'll easily win alongside the human player? Or is there some other reason or weird effect going on, that makes having the 'shared victory' option easier for the human player?

No its mainly they'll try to stay allied  for winning instread of trying to stop the leading player.

Ardent Mages - Turn 302.sav

My friend had a possible bug to report (savegame attached). It is most likely a vanilla EL problem that hasn't been fixed.

There is an advanced winter effect:

-15% Health Regen in Non-Allied Region on Armies
+15% Health Regen in Allied Region on Armies
+15% Health Regen in Owned Region on Armies

As I understand it, the effect *should* slow down or quicken up health regeneration depending on where your armies are. Instead the effect is, at least in non-allied regions that all the units get normal reg 5% minus 15% health per turn, that is 10% *damage* calculated from maximum hp per turn!

It is unclear whether it is the winter effect or the description that is bugged. In the latter case, there are two *big* problems, namely that the player doesn't get any further warning or notice when his armies are destroyed on the map (for example when sailing many turns from one continent to another), and that the AI doesn't have any idea how to conserve his armies! It seems many AI's lost huge amount of troops because of this winter effect.

Could it be possible to fix this in the Community patch?

There is also a smaller similar problem with the Morgawr faction quest, there in phase 6 you have to have an army who have special sacrificial totems that deal 5% damage per game turn. I guess here it is working as intended, but the problem is that the description of 'cursed' effect on units is -5% health per turn *in combat*.

Hello, I created an account both to say thank you and to report a bug.

First off, thank you for creating this mod, it really is amazing. The ai attacking with 30+ units is really fun. They never attacked with more than one army in vanilla in my experience. The greater activity in diplomacy, trades, and coalition wars also makes the world feel much more alive. I love it.

As for the bug, I'm sorry if it has been reported already. But I've played two Mezari games and both times I had trouble with the game locking up when enemy units attacked my Titans. Default game settings for everything (but no symbiosis), Serious Ai. It doesn't always occur, but sometimes when a Titan gets attacked, he does his counter, and then the battle locks up instead of moving on to the next unit and there is no way to resolve the battle effectively locking the game.

It happened 3 times but only 2 of them I actually remember now. I'm tempted to say it is a bug with the unique Titan counter skill because I've used other claw units with no problems. Of the two occurences I remember, they both involved countering multiple enemies with both the skill and claws and then the lock happens. I haven't tried using Sword Titans.

Anyway, that's the only bug I've encountered in 5 games so far. Love the mod. Thanks again.

Zolyas blade requires 6 Hyperium to be constructed. If you dont have 6 Hyperium, it wont show up by default (there is a "show missing resources" button in the loadout menu to show eqipment with missing resources though).

As for AI bonuses: ELCP doesnt give additional bonus resources to AIs beyond what vanilla gives (hard AI get some bonus resources by default). The main difference is, that the vanilla AI isnt really able to utilize its bonus resources well, while the ELCP AI on the other hand is. I know some players find the jump from normal to hard a bit too steep, but trying to finetune the "perfect difficult increase" for all players is basically impossible so I wont really engage in that. I have found many players that struggle with hard make one or more of the following mistakes: Looking too much at point values, being too scared of AI empires with higher points, being too passive, not using diplomacy to build diplomatic blocks and trading techs/resources, not using a bunch of other game mechanics when appropriate (market for luxuries, stockpiles), understimating the importance of empire happiness (probably not a huge issue for mykara). 

As a Mykara you specifically want to make sure you get one or more Symbiosis bonus going asap. Do this by early warfare or by early peace & city deals.

Wow, that was quick!

And: Oh my gosh! What a noob mistake! (Well, I am actually one; I hope, this will be forgiven! ;) )

I even know about the buttons (and used them for "obsolete items"), but didn't relate them to my problem.

Well, issue solved. Thank you for the advise! :)

Regarding the steep jump:

I understand your hesitation regarding balancing. It's a tricky topic, especially when different players give feed back.

Personally, I wouldn't mind a mild reduction in AI bonuses for the 'hard' difficulty level. That is the nasty consequence of making the AI better ... it doesn't need as many "artificial" help as before. But it's your call (of course!).

Speeking of help: Thank you for your tips.

You do hit the mark here.

I use the market (not often enough though), but never buy stockpiles.

I ignore diplomacy most of the time. (So much to research. Who needs all this stupid talking to other people? I want to conquer them anyway. Dead people don't talk. But on 'hard', this didn't turn out so well so far ...)

At least the happieness issue is on my radar - but oftentimes I do not know when to stop expanding. (Didn't I see a nice ressource deposit over there?)

Anyway, I'll try to embrace your good advise!

Cheers,

Deggial

(And nice to see that the forum is not as dead as suspected. It's still silent enough here, though. I guess this is the downside, if one picks up a game so long after it's peak time. Put at least, the available DLCs are quite cheap during sales now ...)