I noticed the AI is pretty much spamming fleets that only contain Fire Ships (unless they are Morgawr). So there is definitely something wrong . The fire damage is indeed huge and they are quite tanky aswell. 

I actually did a multiplayer game with my friend sometime after my first post.

As expected, he mounted flamethrowers on everything. I was cultist with no sea access, but everyone else in that game was feeling the burn. Apparently bathyspheres can use endless flames too. That was literally the only thing he built, no one else could get to any sea fortresses before he snuck up behind them and burned their ships/deep sea creatures down. 

I suppose a plus side is that taking on the kraken thing is a cakewalk, however.

Suddenly all of those aggravating, inexplicable losses against 'pitifully weak' Fomorian fleets makes sense... ship strength doesn't count the added damage done every round from flames, does it?

If further testing proves fire ships to really be this overpowering, I hope they get a nerf in the next patch.

I've had better luck against them with autoresolve than with manual battles.

TheTakenKing wrote:

Suddenly all of those aggravating, inexplicable losses against 'pitifully weak' Fomorian fleets makes sense... ship strength doesn't count the added damage done every round from flames, does it?

If further testing proves fire ships to really be this overpowering, I hope they get a nerf in the next patch.

Yes it does.

Endless Flames and Dust Focal will be better balanced hopefully in the next patch though. Thanks for the feedback.

Yes fire ships are definitely op, and much better than vores. I'd reduce the sustained damage to 15%.

Right now fire ships dominate until you get to artillery ships.  Those things can shoot across the entire battlefield and with any amount of melee ships playing blocker can destroy fire ships quickly. 

With the endless flames nerf from 20% down to 10% damage per turn in the latest patch notes...i also noticed a comment about submersibles being immune to endless flames trait. Can someone explain this to me. I was unaware of this. Perhaps submersible spam is the answer to AIs frigate spam?

I was unaware of it too, until a game I played recently when I basically built my entire navy out of subs.  Basically as long as a sub is submerged it can't get endless flames applied.  At the start of every round of battle subs are submerged giving them extra defense and immunity to flames.  When they take their turn they unsubmerge and are like normal ships for the rest of that round.

So low initiative actually provides an advantage to them. Hmmmm. I will have to do some research into the viability of a morgwar leviathan spam with pourpously low initative where applicable. 

Another detail i recently discovered when reading notes is boarding ships equiped with the alternate weapon can actual steal enemy ships? i have yet to try it out but again it may be a viable way to "collect a naval force for cheap from later tier fomorian facilities.