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6 years ago Aug 01,2018, 15:02:17 PM

Supremacy - Behemoths

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Hi folks,


Endless Space 2 Supremacy is coming to Steam this week, on August 2nd! We're very happy to be bringing another expansion to Endless Space 2, and we hope you'll like it, too! In case you're curious about what's coming up, we'll be publishing the game design documents over the next few days. Here's a closer look at the new major feature of the Supremacy expansion and everybody's favorite new toys, the Behemoths...



Common Gameplay 


A Behemoth is a ship which is larger than a Carrier. The Behemoth's ultimate purpose is to evolve and become specialized. For the most part of the game however, it will have a multi-purpose role determined by its equipped modules and can be used economically or militarily.


Behemoth 

  • Behemoths will start with x1 multipliers on their modules. Unlocking new hull types will increase this multiplier up to x8
  • Behemoths will start with a base of HP, and unlocking new hull types will increase this value
  • A player will be able to field a limited number of Behemoths at a given time. This limit can be increased by researching more Behemoth-specific technologies (or building a specific improvement)

  • A Behemoth is the only ship in its fleet. It has a specific size, role, and takes 10CP
  • Behemoth content is unlocked in the tech tree as Behemoth specific technologies. Behemoth techs are visually distinct from regular ones
  • A Behemoth's possible actions on the galaxy map are determined by its equipped modules

The actions are detailed below.


Support 


Mining

  • The Behemoth will be able to place mining probes on uncolonized planets. The strategic and luxury resources for which the player has the technology will be mined
  • Mining probes have a set duration


Government support

  • Placing the Behemoth in orbit of an owned or allied system will provide FIDS bonuses to the system


Science 


Research

  • Research: placing the Behemoth over a special node will provide research points and possibly other research discounts linked to Special node type
  • Analyzer: placing the Behemoth over a special node will intensify the effect of the Special node for the system which has influence over it and/or generate strategic resources


Planet Improvement

All these modules require the player to have the corresponding anomaly/terraformation technologies unlocked.

  • Anomaly Reduction: allows the Behemoth to reduce anomalies on neutral planets
  • Terraformation: allows the Behemoth to terraform neutral planets
  • Rejunevation: allows the Behemoth to refill depleted planets and to reassemble destroyed planets



Military 

  • Provides more military slots to the Behemoth
  • Unlocks the tractor beam to be used in Behemoths or Carriers: prevents the enemy retreating from space battles


Specialization 

Once the corresponding Behemoth-tech has been researched, it can become specialized in the one that was unlocked. Specialization is permanent and changes the hull of the Behemoth. A specialized Behemoth can be embedded in a fleet alongside other ships.



Battleship

Largest and strongest military ship in the game:

  • x8 Multiplier
  • 10 CP
  • Can unlock a special "Ion Wave" ability: destroys all fleets on node (including owned fleet) but leaves the Battleship deactivated for X turns (can't move on the map nor attack in space battle)


Obliterator

The Obliterator is a System destroyer which has a quite weak hull with a very limited amount of slots:

  • Can fire a missile for free once every 20 turns
    • The action can be sped up by paying a Quadrinix and Orichalcix cost which decreases as the timer decreases

  • The missile travels on the map and needs X turns to reach its destination:

  • On impact, the missile will destroy the entire system:
    • All planets are destroyed
    • The sun type might change
    • All player owned assets are destroyed
    • Players can build a shield to keep their assets and suffer only 50% of damages on them
      • Citadels provide a native Obliterator shield (you can reach 100% protection on a Citadel, see below for more details)
  • Systems with a sun type "None" can't be targeted by the Obliterator


Citadel

The Behemoth embeds itself onto a system and transforms it into a Citadel (so you don't have a ship anymore :)):


  • Provides strong defensive bonuses to the system (more manpower, stronger local troops)
  • Provides a native Obliterator shield
  • Prevents free move for enemies on this node
  • Provides a native guard on the system (no need to have fleets in orbit)
  • Unlock specific Citadel star system improvements that can only be built on Citadels:
    • Planetary Batteries, which will fire during space battles (but won't take part otherwise)
    • Other improvements will focus on defense or industry/science




This should shake up the end game quite a bit, especially considering that we've started working on victory conditions to make them a little harder to reach (more on that in the patch notes tomorrow!)



What's the Behemoth look you like the most?

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6 years ago
Aug 2, 2018, 9:07:08 AM
HBumblebee wrote:
Nickname2537 wrote:

What is the range of a Obliterator missle? It honestly sounds frustrating to lose a system just cause an Obliterator managed to move close enough to one of your systems. Is it possible to deactivate Behemoths like Pirates?

You can shoot everything you see from anywhere. Longer distance only means, that the missile needs more turns to reach its target. Everything means every system with a star ofc.

Sounds like whoever makes that Obliterator will paint a giant target on their backs.

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6 years ago
Aug 1, 2018, 8:50:47 PM

Btw what pisses me off, is that Honeycomb Scope doesnt work on flying Ark, only on an anchored one. Needs deployment, I guess

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6 years ago
Aug 1, 2018, 9:22:32 PM

You should be able to do a swap trick. 


Now, to clarify: defence against obliterator has two parts to it. Citadel gives permanent shield to system, but this shield gives only 50% protection. Another 50% are gained by building system shield improvement to make your system invulnarable to one obliterator shot. This improvement is destroyed on impact. I believe you can move this system improvement with an Ark,  although for sure you can't build it on a system without a sun. You can (and should) also build 50% shields on systems without citadels to protect them from complete destruction.


You should be able to perform all those tricks that come from those rules, but in a long shot (unintentional pun) you should aim to protect your systems, not to dodge impact with Arks. Edge case is when few shots coming your direction simulteniously or if you were slow on citadel research and simply don't have one. As was mentioned, Vodyani can't rejuvenate planets so they might run out of places to escape to.


I myself never been targeted, but I don't think there are any ahead notifications. Probably you won't even know who shot at you, you can only trace by the eye where shot comes from.

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6 years ago
Aug 1, 2018, 10:14:31 PM
Sublustris wrote:

You should be able to do a swap trick. 


Now, to clarify: defence against obliterator has two parts to it. Citadel gives permanent shield to system, but this shield gives only 50% protection. Another 50% are gained by building system shield improvement to make your system invulnarable to one obliterator shot. This improvement is destroyed on impact. I believe you can move this system improvement with an Ark,  although for sure you can't build it on a system without a sun. You can (and should) also build 50% shields on systems without citadels to protect them from complete destruction.


You should be able to perform all those tricks that come from those rules, but in a long shot (unintentional pun) you should aim to protect your systems, not to dodge impact with Arks. Edge case is when few shots coming your direction simulteniously or if you were slow on citadel research and simply don't have one. As was mentioned, Vodyani can't rejuvenate planets so they might run out of places to escape to.


I myself never been targeted, but I don't think there are any ahead notifications. Probably you won't even know who shot at you, you can only trace by the eye where shot comes from.

"trace by the eye where shot comes from". If projectile is actually visisble on global map, just like approaching enemy probe or fleet in warp, there should be no problem in seeing it with high vision range from sensors, this is why I mentioned Honeycomb Scope with +5 vision range. Or you can spam probes to find the launched shot in advance. Then you will be able too see the shot in 2+ turns before it hits and buyout shield in targeted system and/or swap Arks, transform behemoth into Citadel, save citizens via spaceport and whatever. Am I right?


Screenshot in announcement only shows the aiming process, not the projectile itself, unfortunately.

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6 years ago
Aug 1, 2018, 10:31:08 PM

Oh God, is this christmas already? Thank you, Amplitude, cause you literally gave me a thing I wanted from the start - a way to influence stars. Shame there is no mentione of actually destroying a star... but this is a start, definetly. :D


One question though - is it possible to intercept Obliterator missile? Or it can only be 'defended' via Citadel + shield improvement?

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6 years ago
Aug 1, 2018, 10:41:16 PM

That is a point. If and I'm guessing here it makes the sun go nova it won't affect an ark that has departed. 

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6 years ago
Aug 2, 2018, 3:11:37 AM

now that there are behemoth ships that destroy systems, what is the point of the planet cracker?

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6 years ago
Aug 2, 2018, 4:29:08 AM
Bethezer wrote:

Oh God, is this christmas already? Thank you, Amplitude, cause you literally gave me a thing I wanted from the start - a way to influence stars. Shame there is no mentione of actually destroying a star... but this is a start, definetly. :D


One question though - is it possible to intercept Obliterator missile? Or it can only be 'defended' via Citadel + shield improvement?

It's possible to destroy a star, though very unlikely. Each star type has a chance to convert to two or three corresponding types on impact. About quarter of them lead to White Dwarf . And there is 5% chance for a White  Dwarf to be ripped to shreds so it will be vaporized.


You can't intercept it, it's a projectile visible on global map.


Darkvramp wrote:

now that there are behemoth ships that destroy systems, what is the point of the planet cracker?

They are available sooner and this is the only way to destroy planets on system protected with Citadel.

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6 years ago
Aug 2, 2018, 5:06:29 AM

Wow, these things look great and hard to choose which one i like best :D 


Maybe the missile is what i am most fond of because of the sheer destruction it causes :P

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6 years ago
Aug 2, 2018, 8:28:59 AM

What is the range of a Obliterator missle? It honestly sounds frustrating to lose a system just cause an Obliterator managed to move close enough to one of your systems. Is it possible to deactivate Behemoths like Pirates?


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Do Citadels completely block the missles or just reduce the damage? Will it intercept hostile missles which are targeting other systems?


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Aug 2, 2018, 8:33:42 AM
Nickname2537 wrote:

What is the range of a Obliterator missle? It honestly sounds frustrating to lose a system just cause an Obliterator managed to move close enough to one of your systems. Is it possible to deactivate Behemoths like Pirates?

You can shoot everything you see from anywhere. Longer distance only means, that the missile needs more turns to reach its target. Everything means every system with a star ofc.

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Aug 1, 2018, 8:44:57 PM
Sublustris wrote:
valseeker wrote:

OMG thought about one more interaction. When Obliterator shoots the system, the shot takes a few turns to reach the destination. Depending on range I guess? But what happens when you shoot an Ark and it gets unanchored and flies away? Will the shot track and chase an Ark? With full speed modules it can travel 20+ per turn. Will it never get hit? Or will the shot hit the now-empty system and destroy only the planets, leaving escaped Ark intact? Or will the shot spread and hit both empty system and chase escaping Ark? This is why I love Vodyani, they bend like every single rule in this game.

Obliterators target systems, their stars specifically. This is why they can't shoot nodes that have none. To answer directly - Ark should start flying out of the sysem before projectile hits star at the start of next turn.

Thanks for clarification. That is still a heavily desirable outcome since full system value is stored on Ark with buildings and population. Basically you cant harm Vodyani with Obliterator, they will just anchor the next system. I guess you get notified in advance when an enemy Obliterator shoots you? Is it connected with sensor range? Might make Honeycomb Telescope actually useful. Or do you get notified right after shot? Thats a loud shot after all

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6 years ago
Aug 2, 2018, 9:13:16 AM
Nickname2537 wrote:

What is the range of a Obliterator missle? It honestly sounds frustrating to lose a system just cause an Obliterator managed to move close enough to one of your systems. Is it possible to deactivate Behemoths like Pirates?


Edit:

Do Citadels completely block the missles or just reduce the damage? Will it intercept hostile missles which are targeting other systems?


It's part of the fun. You have to prepare for possible obliterator assault. You can't deactivate Behemoths only, as Hissho depend on them.


Citadel only provides half of protection (half of improvements and fleets will be destroyed, 33% chance Hero might be injured, planets will stay safe). Shield system improvement also provides half of protection. Both citadel and shield make system immune to obliterator shot, but shield system improvement is destroyed on impact.

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6 years ago
Aug 2, 2018, 11:55:05 AM
Leafy503 wrote:
HBumblebee wrote:
Nickname2537 wrote:

What is the range of a Obliterator missle? It honestly sounds frustrating to lose a system just cause an Obliterator managed to move close enough to one of your systems. Is it possible to deactivate Behemoths like Pirates?

You can shoot everything you see from anywhere. Longer distance only means, that the missile needs more turns to reach its target. Everything means every system with a star ofc.

Sounds like whoever makes that Obliterator will paint a giant target on their backs.

Well vision becomes a lot more important, also in order to know who actually fired the Obliterator.

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6 years ago
Aug 2, 2018, 4:16:07 PM

Kind of wish there was some way to get a notification about an obliterator being fired on your systems.  Not cool minding your business and then one turn you're looking at a bunch of fiery comets of death hovering just outside your system.

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Aug 3, 2018, 3:53:37 PM
Sublustris wrote:

It's possible to destroy a star, though very unlikely. Each star type has a chance to convert to two or three corresponding types on impact. About quarter of them lead to White Dwarf . And there is 5% chance for a White  Dwarf to be ripped to shreds so it will be vaporized.


You can't intercept it, it's a projectile visible on global map.

Thanks! Now I need to do some research and tests...  for science of course. <searches for targets>

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6 years ago
Aug 4, 2018, 10:22:29 AM

So if I, as the Unfallen, tangle an AI system with a Citadel and takeover with influence...I get the Citadel as well? Damn that must feel good.

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Aug 4, 2018, 12:30:18 PM
Goobah wrote:

So if I, as the Unfallen, tangle an AI system with a Citadel and takeover with influence...I get the Citadel as well? Damn that must feel good.

Yes, same goes for regular sieges without breaking the citadel defenses, altho those are a bit harder to win.

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6 years ago
Aug 5, 2018, 1:02:31 AM

Mining behemoth is legit busted. 1125% of base value for 60 turns. Seriously? Getting 50 orichalcix per turn, what a joke.

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Aug 5, 2018, 1:37:21 AM
valseeker wrote:

Mining behemoth is legit busted. 1125% of base value for 60 turns. Seriously? Getting 50 orichalcix per turn, what a joke.

It's a bug. They are aware. Fix coming soon.

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Aug 5, 2018, 10:31:13 AM
Leafy503 wrote:

Turns out the Behemoth Battleship can also use the Vaulter portals.  That took me by surprise.

Behemoths naturally have very few movement points, but with portals and Argosy it is never an issue, you can build them without engines like that +25% FIDS economic version or -15% tech price scientific one or abovementioned 1125% miner and move them freely with portals. Juggernaut behemoth having Tracktor Beam module with high level Seeker hero and Argosy attached to its fleet is a terrific thing, can reach and destroy any fleet in galaxy in 1 turn no matter the distance.


Hope the devs dont nerf the miner too much, the prices are higher for Wonders and there are those Citadel buildings requiring 25 tier 3 resources each, and Juggernauts and Carries cost hell lot of them as well, now when the endgame lasts longer and you actually need them. Regular colony is not capable of producing enough resources even with +2 specialization and +3 from buildings. Miner needs to stay strong to compensate this, not as strong as atm of couse but still. Also I am having a hell lot of fun defending those mining probes all over the galaxy, AI seems to always target them.

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6 years ago
Aug 1, 2018, 5:13:12 PM

This does beg the question of whether or not planet cracker modules will recieve a buff in order to make them not totally obsolete in the face of behemoths. Maybe a reduced turn count on actually firing the thing.

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6 years ago
Aug 1, 2018, 3:16:52 PM

I'm very excited to get a Citadel up and running as well :D
The Obliterator caught me off guard with it's lack of presence in space combat but I suppose it makes sense for a system obliterator XD

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6 years ago
Aug 1, 2018, 3:21:06 PM

This should shake up the end game quite a bit, especially considering that we've started working on victory conditions to make them a little harder to reach (more on that in the patch notes tomorrow!)

I've been waiting for this for a long time. Really interested in seeing the changes!

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6 years ago
Aug 1, 2018, 3:34:35 PM

Super interesting, I was wondering when we would get info about the Dreadnaughts since you guys leaked them a while ago! I got a question about citadel behavior: Since the behemoth gets turned into the citadel, does that mean the citadel does not count against the Behemoth max limit? Also I like the defense purpose for citadel a lot, I always felt like there are not enough option for a defense-focuse playstyle because you can siege down systems rather quickly, or just keep using blitz attack over and over. 

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Aug 1, 2018, 3:37:10 PM

I'm very excited about the Behemoths and curious how they change the game.

But i am a little worried that the Obliterator will be too strong, but I trust the developers and the beta testers.

Cant wait for the release!

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6 years ago
Aug 1, 2018, 3:44:56 PM

Wonderful. I can build Iserhlorn Fortress now. Didn't have to wait long at all.

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Aug 1, 2018, 3:57:29 PM

It might indeed change many things in late game ! The obliterator seem very strong but considering that it came only in end game and need 20 turn to reactivate (and the possibilité to regenerate planet with other behemoth), it is probably ok.

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6 years ago
Aug 1, 2018, 4:22:04 PM

I'm anxious about the obliterators mostly because the Vodyani and Lumeris seem to be trigger happy with planet-killers in my games. I'm glad there's an option to defend against them; it lends to my slow turtle-ish playstyle well.

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Aug 1, 2018, 4:40:58 PM

Can Vodyani terraform planets with terraforming behemoth? They had no such technologies in the tree previously. If they can now, it is super busted ))

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Aug 1, 2018, 5:04:53 PM

The only thing is does'nt like is the color of the behemot seems to be unique like heros. Could be better if they had the color of the racethat own the behemot.

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Aug 1, 2018, 5:17:15 PM
sheredynplayer wrote:

I got a question about citadel behavior: Since the behemoth gets turned into the citadel, does that mean the citadel does not count against the Behemoth max limit? 

Citadel is still a Behemoth, just immovable, it does count. Luckily, there are several ways to increase that limit:

  • every 2 Behemoth techs researched limit is increased by 1;
  • there's system improvement that increases Behemoths limit by 1 that you can build in all your systems, but each such improvement will multiply your Behemoth upkeep by x2;
  • Hissho heroes have skill that increases Behemoth limit.
valseeker wrote:

Can Vodyani terraform planets with terraforming behemoth? They had no such technologies in the tree previously. If they can now, it is super busted ))

Vodyani can't terraform even with Behemoths. Instead, they got a special module that allows to generate Essence from destroyed planets.

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Aug 1, 2018, 5:19:21 PM
Laliloluhla wrote:

This does beg the question of whether or not planet cracker modules will recieve a buff in order to make them not totally obsolete in the face of behemoths. Maybe a reduced turn count on actually firing the thing.

Planet crackers now available a stage sooner. Plus, there's no other way to destroy Citadel-protected systems other then to come with Crackers fleet and wait for 5 turns.

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Aug 1, 2018, 5:22:24 PM
Sublustris wrote:
Laliloluhla wrote:

This does beg the question of whether or not planet cracker modules will recieve a buff in order to make them not totally obsolete in the face of behemoths. Maybe a reduced turn count on actually firing the thing.

Planet crackers now available a stage sooner. Plus, there's no other way to destroy Citadel-protected systems other then to come with Crackers fleet and wait for 5 turns.

Sweet, now I can actually get the feat for destroying a planet the era it pops up in too instead of anxiously waiting.

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Aug 1, 2018, 8:09:26 PM

Can Citadel attach itself to Ark and therefore become moveable with it? Or will an Ark with Citadel lose the ability to unanchor? Or will an Ark move separately from the Citadel, which will stay attached to neutral system?

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Aug 1, 2018, 8:21:34 PM

OMG thought about one more interaction. When Obliterator shoots the system, the shot takes a few turns to reach the destination. Depending on range I guess? But what happens when you shoot an Ark and it gets unanchored and flies away? Will the shot track and chase an Ark? With full speed modules it can travel 20+ per turn. Will it never get hit? Or will the shot hit the now-empty system and destroy only the planets, leaving escaped Ark intact? Or will the shot spread and hit both empty system and chase escaping Ark? This is why I love Vodyani, they bend like every single rule in this game.

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Aug 1, 2018, 8:22:33 PM
valseeker wrote:

Can Citadel attach itself to Ark and therefore become moveable with it? Or will an Ark with Citadel lose the ability to unanchor? Or will an Ark move separately from the Citadel, which will stay attached to neutral system?

I think in a previous post it was stated that the Citadel is attached to the system, so if the Ark moved the citadel would not move with it

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Aug 1, 2018, 8:30:46 PM

I... actually don't know. I think it should stay just like legendary deed buildings do. It's powered by system's star after all, and it is explicitely stated in tooltip system shield effect is permanent regardless of system ownership. So you should be able to vacate system or deattach an Ark and shield will stay, and even move citadel-specific system improvements, but I guess they won't work without a citadel itself. 

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Aug 1, 2018, 8:34:17 PM
valseeker wrote:

OMG thought about one more interaction. When Obliterator shoots the system, the shot takes a few turns to reach the destination. Depending on range I guess? But what happens when you shoot an Ark and it gets unanchored and flies away? Will the shot track and chase an Ark? With full speed modules it can travel 20+ per turn. Will it never get hit? Or will the shot hit the now-empty system and destroy only the planets, leaving escaped Ark intact? Or will the shot spread and hit both empty system and chase escaping Ark? This is why I love Vodyani, they bend like every single rule in this game.

Obliterators target systems, their stars specifically. This is why they can't shoot nodes that have none. To answer directly - Ark should start flying out of the system before projectile hits star at the start of next turn to survive.

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Aug 1, 2018, 8:35:31 PM

Aaaand to seal the deal. I build "Obliterator shield" on one of my Arks. Obliterator shoots another Ark system without shield. Will I be able to quickly swap Arks positions and bring shielded Ark into system-on-fire and save it from destruction? Does "Obliterator shield" stop its Ark from moving? Or is it attached to system and therefore I can build it with Ark and leave the system, efficiently creating shielded neutral system?


Who needs to think with portals, when you can think with Arks?

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