Hey man nice submission, for some reason it gives me a little prince vibe. Have a vote! Pretty much the opposite of my idea, where as my idea doesn't use planets your people are the planets! Quick question though, the Assimilation trait states that the greater the approval difference between them and the other faction the more frequent they steal pop. So does that mean that at factions at war with them bleed pop or am I missing something?

balancer12 wrote:

Hey man nice submission, for some reason it gives me a little prince vibe. Have a vote! Pretty much the opposite of my idea, where as my idea doesn't use planets your people are the planets! Quick question though, the Assimilation trait states that the greater the approval difference between them and the other faction the more frequent they steal pop. So does that mean that at factions at war with them bleed pop or am I missing something?

Thanks for the vote. As with the assimilation trait, it's probably an issue with my wording. My idea is that since they're so nice to live on( represented by high approval) , people from neighboring factions would migrate to live on them willingly. Obviously if the neighbors have lower approvals in the empire (meaning their people are unhappy), they're more likely to abandon their home to live on Ecollais. So the pop steal happens regardless of whether you're at war with them or not. If anything the Ecollai would probably work almost like the Drakken, in the sense that they'll force a peace on you (with their diplomatic genius), then bleed your population dry with "assimilation", spend that population with "release containment" to boost their production, maintain high approval with "small scale application" and perhaps other unique techs which makes the approval difference even larger, and the cycle continue. So it's really a "passive aggressive" faction. 

chiahalu wrote:

balancer12 wrote:

Hey man nice submission, for some reason it gives me a little prince vibe. Have a vote! Pretty much the opposite of my idea, where as my idea doesn't use planets your people are the planets! Quick question though, the Assimilation trait states that the greater the approval difference between them and the other faction the more frequent they steal pop. So does that mean that at factions at war with them bleed pop or am I missing something?

Thanks for the vote. As with the assimilation trait, it's probably an issue with my wording. My idea is that since they're so nice to live on( represented by high approval) , people from neighboring factions would migrate to live on them willingly. Obviously if the neighbors have lower approvals in the empire (meaning their people are unhappy), they're more likely to abandon their home to live on Ecollais. So the pop steal happens regardless of whether you're at war with them or not. If anything the Ecollai would probably work almost like the Drakken, in the sense that they'll force a peace on you (with their diplomatic genius), then bleed your population dry with "assimilation", spend that population with "release containment" to boost their production, maintain high approval with "small scale application" and perhaps other unique techs which makes the approval difference even larger, and the cycle continue. So it's really a "passive aggressive" faction. 

Damn that's cool

Very unique and cool idea. My biggest concern, and one that I have with a few other submissions, is that they cannot declare war. Though this feels great lore-wise, it needs a counter/alternative gameplay-wise. I make a case for why in a later post in my submission.

Also, not sure if your concept here works: "... then bleed your population dry with "assimilation", (then) spend that population with "release containment" to boost their production...". Because populations in ES2 are specific to each faction, and is not general like in ES1.

Overall, very creative though.

carolean7 wrote:

Very unique and cool idea. My biggest concern, and one that I have with a few other submissions, is that they cannot declare war. Though this feels great lore-wise, it needs a counter/alternative gameplay-wise. I make a case for why in a later post in my submission.

Also, not sure if your concept here works: "... then bleed your population dry with "assimilation", (then) spend that population with "release containment" to boost their production...". Because populations in ES2 are specific to each faction, and is not general like in ES1.

Overall, very creative though.

Thanks for the reply. I understand your concern regarding their inability to declare war. While I won't deny that it was more of a lore based choice than a game mechanical one, I found it compliments the "pop bleed" mechanic I came up for them. Instead of fighting you they'll bleed your systems dry of pop making them worthless or even detrimental to your empire to maintain. As for the issue with the difference between how pop work in ES1 and ES2. I apologize for my ignorance regarding how pop mechanics works in ES2. Perhaps it'd be difficult to represent the migration of people from one empire to another , but there must be tons of ways we can represent this mechanically, like a  loss in Food production and approval in the systems neighboring the Ecollai while the Ecollai gains a food boost or something. 

In any case if by some rare cosmic coincidence the Ecollai got implemented in the game, I'm sure the brilliant minds of Amplitude would figure something out.

chiahalu wrote:

carolean7 wrote:

Very unique and cool idea. My biggest concern, and one that I have with a few other submissions, is that they cannot declare war. Though this feels great lore-wise, it needs a counter/alternative gameplay-wise. I make a case for why in a later post in my submission.

Also, not sure if your concept here works: "... then bleed your population dry with "assimilation", (then) spend that population with "release containment" to boost their production...". Because populations in ES2 are specific to each faction, and is not general like in ES1.

Overall, very creative though.

Thanks for the reply. I understand your concern regarding their inability to declare war. While I won't deny that it was more of a lore based choice than a game mechanical one, I found it compliments the "pop bleed" mechanic I came up for them. Instead of fighting you they'll bleed your systems dry of pop making them worthless or even detrimental to your empire to maintain. As for the issue with the difference between how pop work in ES1 and ES2. I apologize for my ignorance regarding how pop mechanics works in ES2. Perhaps it'd be difficult to represent the migration of people from one empire to another , but there must be tons of ways we can represent this mechanically, like a  loss in Food production and approval in the systems neighboring the Ecollai while the Ecollai gains a food boost or something. 

In any case if by some rare cosmic coincidence the Ecollai got implemented in the game, I'm sure the brilliant minds of Amplitude would figure something out.

Actually, migration between systems is implemented in ES2 through propaganda (see game design document links in my submission), so you're in luck! So my guess is you could have the Ecollai build on this feature, maybe have their own special form of "propaganda", like I do in my submission? Either way, cool stuff. Keep it up!