I didn't buy HUGE company (Activision-Blizzard/EA) games anymore. To much DLC, bugs, ... Indie games are the futur. Company like Amplitude for exemple who really worries about people who buy their games.

Anyway, I didn't buy Diablo III (money, money, money... Oh... wait... problems with server... well... we don't give a shit !), but I've pre-command Torchlight II since 2 weeks and currently playing the beta (awsome btw).

SomethingBlue wrote:
I had a bad run with MMOs a year back and forced myself to quit. I was playing 4 varying forms of MMOs including an MMORTS, Stronghold Kingdoms, original everquest, and a couple of browser based MMOs all at the same time. I lost about a year to that mess.

Been there....Though not 4! I would have been divorced for sure! (World of Home-wrecker)

Luckily I was single... wait, is that lucky?

sometimes!

Mechanos wrote:
i hope they fix things i personally did not buy the game since im not a fan of diablo and the always online drm is a pain and things like this are more frequent * cough anno2070 cough*. they should of really bought more servers after all there ahead in the mmo department and should not cut corners with their game since its so drm dependent.



i expected a more successful launch i guess this is what happens when activision *directs* blizzard.



thanks for the correction

so wanted to play anno2070.... sooooo badly i wanted it... don't think they are changing their tune any time soon....



i am looking forward to the new simcity for my gaming fix.... but if ea makes it origin only(very likely) i'll abandon it too...



(tired of having to install (x) company's crap cause i'll bet someday every game company and their publisher will make you have to install their launchers to play games at all..)

Olimar wrote:
so wanted to play anno2070.... sooooo badly i wanted it... don't think they are changing their tune any time soon....



i am looking forward to the new simcity for my gaming fix.... but if ea makes it origin only(very likely) i'll abandon it too...



(tired of having to install (x) company's crap cause i'll bet someday every game company and their publisher will make you have to install their launchers to play games at all..)

i know friend it hurt really bad when they gave it online drm and the ark being server side and the three machine activation limit. that being said the older versions are better than 2070. 2070 felt streamlined and the npcs had much better and awesome building changes compared to the players building cosmetic selection which was disheartening to say the least.

SomethingBlue wrote:
I agree, it is a shame. I used to be a big fan of Star Wars (still am, but I have spread my wings) and love space operas, especially in video games. Space Opera MMOs represent endless options, and the extended Star Wars Universe is as good as any to use. Unfortunately every MMORPG ends up being a WoW clone, and until one does not, WoW will be on top. I had hopes for TOR to topple WoW, but I never planned on playing it. I had a bad run with MMOs a year back and forced myself to quit. I was playing 4 varying forms of MMOs including an MMORTS, Stronghold Kingdoms, original everquest, and a couple of browser based MMOs all at the same time. I lost about a year to that mess.

You should try Guild Wars 2....oh man, I can't wait until that comes out!



Endless Space was going to be a filler until GW2 release, but it looks like it might be more of a time competitor...

you know what? i find so butifull that ampletud is teaching how it suposed to be done. And yes i can her the diablo 3 crash from her.

I think its unworthy for blizzard to release a game with so many bugs.

Thats what Alphas and Betas are for and they have no excuse for too many people on the network. They should know better from their experiences with Starcraft, Warcraft and WoW.

My roomate has been playing it nonstop without error 37 for a lot of time, it looks like a fun game that is true to its predecessors.

Well I'm a big fan of Diablo 2, played it for countless hours, but I'm gonna skip on Diablo 3. I don't agree with their always online policy. They said they did it for "better player experience" but let's say that your not interested in the multi or ranking, then it doesn't change anything from the classic singleplayer. I'm not even gonna mention the (wow) arena pvp and the real money auction house. I'm not saying it's a bad game, it's pretty good actually but there are these things that pull it down a little.



Instead this summer I'm going for Torchlight 2. Game looks great, it's cheap (only 20€ compared to the 60€ of Diablo 3), some of the guys on the team are old timers from Blizzard North who made the original Diablo 2, and it's in a more open world that the first Torchlight who was more closed in dungeon levels.

Avo wrote:
Instead this summer I'm going for Torchlight 2. Game looks great, it's cheap (only 20€ compared to the 60€ of Diablo 3), some of the guys on the team are old timers from Blizzard North who made the original Diablo 2, and it's in a more open world that the first Torchlight who was more closed in dungeon levels.

I was going to buy Torchlight 2 as well, and gift the extra copy of Torchlight 1 to a friend.



Still not sure about purchasing Diablo 3 though: all my friends are talking about it! I. Must. resist.

FinalStrigon wrote:
I wouldn't say BioWare had terrible game development (sorry if you just meant developers in general, and didn't single them out). I have yet to find a person that won't admit that, as a whole, ME3 is incredible. Excluding the last fifteen minutes, everything is just spectacular, in my opinion. And they even found a way to incorporate a very fun multiplayer system into a primarily single-player game. I can't call ME3 a case of terrible game development at all.



As for bad business practices...Eh, maybe. In terms of day one DLC, things are shady. But they did listen to their fans, take the constructive criticism, and are releasing a free cinematic pack to give more closure on the end than they had before. They could have just shrugged and told fans to deal with it, but they didn't.

nah dont worry some devs are forced to cut corners and rush to put out games more due to publishers wanting more money the fastest way possible which reduces quality and work environment.

SomethingBlue wrote:
From what I understand, the lead writer's original ending was completely rejected and he left. But I can see the events of the ending and line it up with the indoctrination theory and completely get by with imagining a better ending myself.



As far as Evangelion, hasn't that had 2 or 3 rewrites already?

evangelion last time i heard has had some rebuild movies but thats what i remember haven't seen it in a while. .

well that story leak did hurt their ending so i dont know. maybe the I.T was set in place already but had to swich up the endings due to that leak. its really a big headache.

Steph'nie wrote:
I was going to buy Torchlight 2 as well, and gift the extra copy of Torchlight 1 to a friend.



Still not sure about purchasing Diablo 3 though: all my friends are talking about it! I. Must. resist.

Steph'nie you are member of the dev tem no d3 for you

I posted the metacritic reviews on my Facebook yesterday and the fanbois just would not accept that Diablo 3 is epic fail.

I was considering of getting Diablo 3 , but after i saw that even SP requests internet connection , and it's Blizzard and FREE TO PLAY game we are talking about ... don't know man... >.>

I honestly have mixed feelings about the online DRM thing. On one hand, it seems incredibly stupid and I always end up worrying that something is going to happen that will keep me from replaying one of my favourite games down the line because it's just not being supported anymore. I hate the thought and some measures are just overkill. I wish we could have games without any kind of DRM...



On the other hand, complain as much as you want, online DRM is not just going to go away. Take Steam (yes, you can go offline, but you still need to activate for it) or whatever systems are out there, they are here to stay... And you know what? If that means people are going to continue bringing out PC games rather than focus on console only, then I can live with that. (Yeah, probably not a popular opinion.)



I wasn't impressed with D3 needing you to be on a server for a single player. It makes no sense to me. That said, it won't stop me from getting this game. I haven't yet and considering the issues, I'm going to wait a bit until the price goes down, but I will buy it. Because it's D3 and I spent hours playing the first two games and I enjoyed this beta immensely. Issues aside (mine with the DRM and theirs with the bugs), I think it's going to be a fun game.

Critics love it and the users are trashing it. Kind of odd to be that far apart. Most of the bad reviews from users mirror things I noticed in the beta and why I didn't buy it and am not playing it (or have plans to do so).

There are quite established critics (gaming journals) who saw this coming. Looks like Blizzard has reached its climax some time ago. They are flying too high...

Lol Metacritic once and for all proved that their "professional reviews" are not neutral. Just look at the diffirence between user reviews and those of so-called "critics".

Of course Diablo 3 sucks. What'd you expect? It looks like WoW FFS.

werewolf_nr wrote:
Critics love it and the users are trashing it. Kind of odd to be that far apart. Most of the bad reviews from users mirror things I noticed in the beta and why I didn't buy it and am not playing it (or have plans to do so).

Critics are payed off most of the times, especially by companies like Blizzard. Just look at Mass Effect 3, 99% of the users are raging at the endings, most critics in the start turned a blind eye to that fact.

Inquisitioner wrote:
Of course Diablo 3 sucks. What'd you expect? It looks like WoW FFS.







Critics are payed off most of the times, especially by companies like Blizzard. Just look at Mass Effect 3, 99% of the users are raging at the endings, most critics in the start turned a blind eye to that fact.

But you missed the point that Mass Effect 3 was an exceptional game. 15 minutes of a crappy ending can ruin the overall experience, but it can not negate the 40 or so hours of good gaming. Plus, I doubt the critics put as much time into the franchise as some of those hardcore ragers. A mediocre ending to a critic can turn into a horrible ending for gamers who have invested the time.

Blizzard North was gone, and so were decent Blizzard games. There's no comparison between Diablo II and III.

Mechanos wrote:
if i recall correctly "gamers entitlement" (buzzword) spawned from that mass effect 3 fiasco involving the end and that bloody prothean day one dlc. and a bunch of other shady things. that liberal thing was just astroturfing in general to create more buzz. It really hurt any criticism people could make on a game. whatever happened to consumer rights and common sense.

I'm not all that sure common sense exists anymore. I can understand people being upset with Mass Effect 3's ending, and I've never appreciated day-one DLC, but a vast majority of the ME community went way too far when they demanded that BioWare change their game because they didn't like the final fifteen or so minutes.

I know people that say they enjoy it, not my type of game though.

i hope they fix things i personally did not buy the game since im not a fan of diablo and the always online drm is a pain and things like this are more frequent * cough anno2070 cough*. they should of really bought more servers after all there ahead in the mmo department and should not cut corners with their game since its so drm dependent.



i expected a more successful launch i guess this is what happens when activision *directs* blizzard.



thanks for the correction

Phew...I'm glad I decided to have some self-control and not pre-order Diablo III. Now instead of me and some buddies getting frustrated over that, we're honing our strategies for Endless Space.



I think we made the right call.

Mechanos wrote:
i hope they fix things i personally did not buy the game since im not a fan of diablo and the always online drm is a pain and things like this are more frequent * cough anno2070 cough*. they should of really bought more servers after all there ahead in the mmo department and should not cut corners with their game since its so drm dependent.



i expected a more successful launch i guess this is what happens when activision buys blizzard.

Before the Blizzard fanboys pop in to point this out, Blizzard was always owned by Vivendi. Vivendi bought out Activision to head up the "games" part of their metacorp (Vivendi also produces television, music, books, etc.).

No but I can hear the sound of Blizzard rubbing it's hands together in glee.

Kyorisu wrote:
No but I can hear the sound of Blizzard rubbing it's hands together in glee.

What makes you say this? Note, I don't know much about Blizzard and what they do, aside from the fact that they made WoW...which ensured that The Old Republic would fail. *sigh*

Truhan wrote:
Before the Blizzard fanboys pop in to point this out, Blizzard was always owned by Vivendi. Vivendi bought out Activision to head up the "games" part of their metacorp (Vivendi also produces television, music, books, etc.).

thanks for the heads up i thought it was the other way around with that activision and vivendi thing still glad i bought es.

I have never considered metacritic as a worthy site for reviews. There is an overwhelming number of reviews that are either a "10" or a "0" (Not just for Diablo, basically everything on that site). If the person liked it they give it a ten; if they found 1 thing that bothered them then its a zero (Eg. Diablo having only 5 classes, or my personal favorite from Mass Effect 3 "Too much subtle liberal propaganda in this game"). Very few people can take a movie, game, tv show/series and rate it as a whole.

iamsnakemaster wrote:
I have never considered metacritic as a worthy site for reviews. There is an overwhelming number of reviews that are either a "10" or a "0" (Not just for Diablo, basically everything on that site). If the person liked it they give it a ten; if they found 1 thing that bothered them then its a zero (Eg. Diablo having only 5 classes, or my personal favorite from Mass Effect 3 "Too much subtle liberal propaganda in this game"). Very few people can take a movie, game, tv show/series and rate it as a whole.

if i recall correctly "gamers entitlement" (buzzword) spawned from that mass effect 3 fiasco involving the end and that bloody prothean day one dlc. and a bunch of other shady things. that liberal thing was just astroturfing in general to create more buzz. It really hurt any criticism people could make on a game. whatever happened to consumer rights and common sense.

Mechanos wrote:
thanks for the heads up i thought it was the other way around with that activision and vivendi thing still glad i bought es.

Well, it's a little more complex than who bought who. The fact is, though, that after the merger/buyout Mike Morhaime was not the CEO of Activision or Blizzard. He's president of Blizzard and he answers to a guy that answers to the CEO of Activision. The simplest way to explain it is that Activision inherited Blizzard's name and Blizzard inherited the Activision corporate structure (at the time of the buyout I believe Activision had just barely overtaken EA as the biggest game publisher).



And yes, I've been having quite the day on Endless Space myself. Just finished a 140 turn game as Sophons and think I'm ready to up the difficulty a notch in my next game. I'll be happy when multiplayer arrives since everyone on a forum I moderate and many of my friends decided to buy Diablol and are now too busy waiting to be able to play it to bother with me.

Truhan wrote:
Well, it's a little more complex than who bought who. The fact is, though, that after the merger/buyout Mike Morhaime was not the CEO of Activision or Blizzard. He's president of Blizzard and he answers to a guy that answers to the CEO of Activision. The simplest way to explain it is that Activision inherited Blizzard's name and Blizzard inherited the Activision corporate structure (at the time of the buyout I believe Activision had just barely overtaken EA as the biggest game publisher).



And yes, I've been having quite the day on Endless Space myself. Just finished a 140 turn game as Sophons and think I'm ready to up the difficulty a notch in my next game. I'll be happy when multiplayer arrives since everyone on a forum I moderate and many of my friends decided to buy Diablol and are now too busy waiting to be able to play it to bother with me.

very interesting information about that merger.



as for me i initially liked the sophons but now i like the Hissho their traits allow for a defensive and offensive strategy with that combat game center giving ships exp and their defensive and offensive traits really help out to push cravers back to their homeworlds.

I just flushed 60$ and a vacation day down the toilet. I should have just bought several copies ES instead!



http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii



http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/05/15/blizzard-addresses-diablo-iii-issues-with-emergency-fix/#comments

FinalStrigon wrote:
What makes you say this? Note, I don't know much about Blizzard and what they do, aside from the fact that they made WoW...which ensured that TOR would fail. *sigh*

Wait, so Blizzard creating WoW, released 8 years ago, ensured TOR, which started production 4 years ago, would fail? Before you say it, I'm not a Blizzard Fanboy, and have never played WoW. If TOR is failing, it is because it suffers from "It's like WoW except:" syndrome. Then again, I stay away from as many MMOs as I can stand. That being said... I may have to get The Elder Scrolls Online. It may be the one to topple the King of MMOs WoW.

Truhan wrote:
Well, it's a little more complex than who bought who. The fact is, though, that after the merger/buyout Mike Morhaime was not the CEO of Activision or Blizzard. He's president of Blizzard and he answers to a guy that answers to the CEO of Activision. The simplest way to explain it is that Activision inherited Blizzard's name and Blizzard inherited the Activision corporate structure (at the time of the buyout I believe Activision had just barely overtaken EA as the biggest game publisher).



And yes, I've been having quite the day on Endless Space myself. Just finished a 140 turn game as Sophons and think I'm ready to up the difficulty a notch in my next game. I'll be happy when multiplayer arrives since everyone on a forum I moderate and many of my friends decided to buy Diablol and are now too busy waiting to be able to play it to bother with me.

Totaling stealing that and spreading it among my friends.

FinalStrigon wrote:
I'm not all that sure common sense exists anymore. I can understand people being upset with Mass Effect 3's ending, and I've never appreciated day-one DLC, but a vast majority of the ME community went way too far when they demanded that BioWare change their game because they didn't like the final fifteen or so minutes.

There is a huge amount of complexity to that issue, but common sense is not the problem, lack of imagination is, on the gamers part. Too many kids are spoon fed their fantasies via movies and video games that it seems they forgot to develop imaginations. But that is an issue for a different forum.

SomethingBlue wrote:
Wait, so Blizzard creating WoW, released 8 years ago, ensured TOR, which started production 4 years ago, would fail? Before you say it, I'm not a Blizzard Fanboy, and have never played WoW. If TOR is failing, it is because it suffers from "It's like WoW except:" syndrome. Then again, I stay away from as many MMOs as I can stand. That being said... I may have to get The Elder Scrolls Online. It may be the one to topple the King of MMOs WoW.

Oh, no, I didn't mean to imply Blizzard ensured that TOR would fail. I'm just a bit biased for BioWare (and Star Wars). I know that the game simply doesn't offer enough to compete with the vast amount of stuff and popularity WoW offers.

Can you hear BLIZZARD falling on their faces from there?

Nope, sorry, the sound of flaming toads exploding into zombies faces coming outta my headphones is too loud.



I got in just fine an hour after launch, and proceeded to enjoy the epicness that was Diablo 3 Act I. So fricken epic.

FinalStrigon wrote:
I'm not all that sure common sense exists anymore. I can understand people being upset with Mass Effect 3's ending, and I've never appreciated day-one DLC, but a vast majority of the ME community went way too far when they demanded that BioWare change their game because they didn't like the final fifteen or so minutes.

i agree with what you said people really did go to far instead of taking their money elsewhere and not help fund really bad business practices and terrible game development that encourages cutting corners.

SomethingBlue wrote:
There is a huge amount of complexity to that issue, but common sense is not the problem, lack of imagination is, on the gamers part. Too many kids are spoon fed their fantasies via movies and video games that it seems they forgot to develop imaginations. But that is an issue for a different forum.

end of evangelion and deus ex would love to have their ending back its a lack of imagination on the games side too

their lead writer left to do some stuff for TOR then this happened.

chevmech wrote:
Can you hear BLIZZARD falling on their faces from there?

Nope, because I like Diablo III

It's not just the server crash. Or bugs. Or the DRM. Or the fact that it was in development for a decade. It is more the attitude conveyed. As a consumer, I get the feeling like I am somehow "graced" with the opportunity to buy their product and play. The fans did not want the features that are causing alot of the problems. I think that's why ind ventures like ES and their G2G will end up being more sucessful.

(Really? No one here likes Diablo? Sorry.)

I would like to see Blizzard for once try to oversize their server capacity. It seems to fail every time they launch a new game. Despite they knowing how many pre-orders and copies where available, and that their games are popular. For sure will get fixed soon, but they should have the money to pay for more capacity at start. They create great games for sure.

Mechanos wrote:
i agree with what you said people really did go to far instead of taking their money elsewhere and not help fund really bad business practices and terrible game development that encourages cutting corners.

I wouldn't say BioWare had terrible game development (sorry if you just meant developers in general, and didn't single them out). I have yet to find a person that won't admit that, as a whole, ME3 is incredible. Excluding the last fifteen minutes, everything is just spectacular, in my opinion. And they even found a way to incorporate a very fun multiplayer system into a primarily single-player game. I can't call ME3 a case of terrible game development at all.



As for bad business practices...Eh, maybe. In terms of day one DLC, things are shady. But they did listen to their fans, take the constructive criticism, and are releasing a free cinematic pack to give more closure on the end than they had before. They could have just shrugged and told fans to deal with it, but they didn't.

FinalStrigon wrote:
Oh, no, I didn't mean to imply Blizzard ensured that TOR would fail. I'm just a bit biased for BioWare (and Star Wars). I know that the game simply doesn't offer enough to compete with the vast amount of stuff and popularity WoW offers.

I agree, it is a shame. I used to be a big fan of Star Wars (still am, but I have spread my wings) and love space operas, especially in video games. Space Opera MMOs represent endless options, and the extended Star Wars Universe is as good as any to use. Unfortunately every MMORPG ends up being a WoW clone, and until one does not, WoW will be on top. I had hopes for TOR to topple WoW, but I never planned on playing it. I had a bad run with MMOs a year back and forced myself to quit. I was playing 4 varying forms of MMOs including an MMORTS, Stronghold Kingdoms, original everquest, and a couple of browser based MMOs all at the same time. I lost about a year to that mess.

Mechanos wrote:


end of evangelion and deus ex would love to have their ending back its a lack of imagination on the games side too

their lead writer left to do some stuff for TOR then this happened.

From what I understand, the lead writer's original ending was completely rejected and he left. But I can see the events of the ending and line it up with the indoctrination theory and completely get by with imagining a better ending myself.



As far as Evangelion, hasn't that had 2 or 3 rewrites already?