MezzoMax wrote:

So I guess it works as intended. The problem at the moment is, that the Cravers aren't eating their minor factions. So you will have some political ideologies you don't want.

Which is strange as hell because it's their racial trait, right? Wiki states that but that doesn't work in game.

velimirius wrote:

I got same "problem" as ppl mentioned above, my scientists are always loosing even tho they usually got big advantage + i vote for them and still pacifists are always winning...

Another reason I think the system is not working as intended. Sophons should generate double the points for Scientific triggers and the same amount of pacifist & scientific points for Pacifist triggers!

So that begs the question...

How come the Pacifists always have the upper hand?

I got same "problem" as ppl mentioned above, my scientists are always loosing even tho they usually got big advantage + i vote for them and still pacifists are always winning...

But each race's ideology disposition shows that not all events should have the same value for all. For example the Vodyani should gain more points for Religion than a Sophon.

vahouth wrote:

The-Cat-o-Nine-Tales wrote:

That said, I agree that "Only cravers vote" could be an interesting addition to their affinity, though it would also make gaining support for other parties significantly more difficult.

I think that part of the problem is the fact that every ship you build (except scouts) leads to militarism. If that were to change, I could see Cravers being drawn to other ideologies as well, like industrialists for example.

The problem is actually far bigger than that.

If I read the xml files right:

Every improvement you build gives you 2 points worth of support in the system (Pacifist for Dust, Ecologist for Food improvements, etc).

Every ship build gives 2 points of support, in only that system as far as I can tell.

But if you go to war... Attacking an enemy gives 2 points globally, and winning gives 2 points globally.

Wiping out thee minor faction scouts gives 6 times as much militarist support in every system you own than building a single improvement does to a single system.

But I agree that having all political parties unlocked for Dictatorships could be an interesting change.

Yes, in my experience the elections are currently seriously bugged.

Cravers are working as intended. Non-Craver Population does not currently die, as Cravers currently have no way to replace them to benefit from the slavery bonus. This may change in the future if we get some better way to get population from other factions.

That said, I agree that "Only cravers vote" could be an interesting addition to their affinity, though it would also make gaining support for other parties significantly more difficult.

vahouth wrote:

They spawn faster than they die off, which floods the system with a sizeable minority that loves to vote for other political parties. 

Cattle shouldn't vote. ;)

I hope Amplitude will hear us. Because this mechanic doesn't make sense with Cravers.

UndeadPuppy wrote:

Lexxx20 wrote:

MezzoMax wrote:

So I guess it works as intended. The problem at the moment is, that the Cravers aren't eating their minor factions. So you will have some political ideologies you don't want.

Which is strange as hell because it's their racial trait, right? Wiki states that but that doesn't work in game.

The way I understand it is, that the Craver pop trait gives a negative penalty to the population growth of Minor Factions living on the same planet, in exchange for a FIDS boost.

The problem is, their growth rate is so high that the Cravers just can't eat them fast enough.

They spawn faster than they die off, which floods the system with a sizeable minority that loves to vote for other political parties. 

Cattle shouldn't vote. ;)

UndeadPuppy wrote:

Lexxx20 wrote:

MezzoMax wrote:

So I guess it works as intended. The problem at the moment is, that the Cravers aren't eating their minor factions. So you will have some political ideologies you don't want.

Which is strange as hell because it's their racial trait, right? Wiki states that but that doesn't work in game.

The way I understand it is, that the Craver pop trait gives a negative penalty to the population growth of Minor Factions living on the same planet, in exchange for a FIDS boost.

The problem is, their growth rate is so high that the Cravers just can't eat them fast enough.

They spawn faster than they die off, which floods the system with a sizeable minority that loves to vote for other political parties. 

You might be right. Though I assumed that phrase "they will be slowly dying" meant they will eventually die.

Lexxx20 wrote:

MezzoMax wrote:

So I guess it works as intended. The problem at the moment is, that the Cravers aren't eating their minor factions. So you will have some political ideologies you don't want.

Which is strange as hell because it's their racial trait, right? Wiki states that but that doesn't work in game.

The way I understand it is, that the Craver pop trait gives a negative penalty to the population growth of Minor Factions living on the same planet, in exchange for a FIDS boost.

The problem is, their growth rate is so high that the Cravers just can't eat them fast enough.

They spawn faster than they die off, which floods the system with a sizeable minority that loves to vote for other political parties. 

The political system really needs the ability for government types to have a larger effect than just "pass laws" and to affect the happiness and FIDSI output. It would be genuinely excellent if in addition to the % passives it provided things like "Ability to request foreign senate representatives as emissaries" or "Ability to pass laws without suffering FIDSI malus from other pop groups" , give the various governments some kind of unique "twist" that makes them interesting to pursue and play.

 just finish a Lumeris game with the military party dominating   , and i have the tech to enable more options in the elections and i chooose the lobby option to the pacifist to no efect.

I don't understand how the elections work - I play as Sophones and for some reason Pacifists win elections when they should lose to Scientists. There's a thread on this on the steam forums so I'm not alone with that problem.

Is it a bug? Or is the system working as intended and I simply don't understand it?

I believe Dictatorships have 7 representatives per system Period. because the others seem to be based on population.  This may be a bug. Or just a place holder for the time.

So in my last Cravers game this is what happened in my 2nd elections:

Homeworld has 7 Cravers, 3 Kalgeros but 7 representatives

2nd system has 2 Cravers, 1 Kalgeros but 7 representatives

3rd system has only 3 Epistis but also gets 7 representatives

And here's the Senate screen that shows the 21 representatives (7 for each system) but only 16 total pop.

I have no idea if this is how it's supposed to work. 

Maybe the number of representatives is tied to the government type? IDK

DA_Corporation wrote:

I'm pretty sure the political system is bugged to all hell. I've given up trying to control it.

-The Survey is never right

-Political actions never do a damn thing. (From my experience.

-Actual representations don't seem to show accurately.

-What is done actively in your empire seems to do very little sway. (Militarists lost to industrialists when all I've been doing is war.)

I either don't have a clear understanding of how the political game works, the game is not accurately describe WHAT is influencing the political game, or values that influence the political game are all over the place.

In terms of concept. I LOVE the idea. I love the 'Laws' and them tied to the political party in power and the fluctuation of power. But as far as I can tell, there is no reasonable way to control/influence what political party is in power, and this can be a problem. Especially for the Cravers since they suffer a hefty moral penalty when parties don't get 'elected' in their political system. Especially since Industrialists tend to split down the middle with the militarists guaranteeing  a -30 approval rating. 

Don't you influence receiving industrialists by what you research and build as well? 

I think this is somehow tied to the tutorial. The pacifists always win, no matter what. 

By the way, I think that having Haroshem on the Sophon Homeworld at the start of the game is also a bug.

With the above comment in mind, yes, the system sometimes gets confused keeping track of the political data. I've seen this issue as well, where one faction loses the election even though (according to all stats) it should've won. It doesn't happen in every playthrough but it sometimes does.

stormcloak wrote:

Oh, I didn't see that, I'll take a look.

But from the info on the election screen it seemed obvious that the Scientists would win. Maybe that information is bugged?

Definitely possible, a lot of people are reporting that it's not showing the actual results correctly.

Oh, I didn't see that, I'll take a look.

But from the info on the election screen it seemed obvious that the Scientists would win. Maybe that information is bugged?

Not sure if you've already found this, but on the system screen at the top there is a Population Scan button that helps figure out how certain actions or events have influenced a particular political faction. I find it rather handy and interesting.