I have a idea about how Craver deals with happines after playing them last night.

When you chose,for example,  the military partie any population that is pacifist will be unhappy, droping the overall empire happiness. Wich makes no sense since they are slaves of the craver and are force to work, they are not producing because they are happy or not.

So i thought in some unique mechanic

1- Slaves independency

So insted of droping the happines of the system and the empire, the more unhappy the slaves are a gauge will increase, if it reaches a threshold it will propnt a invasion ( just like a external invasion) but this time the manpower of the slaves will fight the craver population. This will lead to loss of population and can even leads to system independency. 

 If you have more slaves them cravers in a planet this gauge will go up quicker.

What you  think ?

I realy like your idea about the slaves helping a invading force.

I know that the slaves are weaker them the cravers, and a sytem would only be "free" if the craver let reach something like 70% non cravers. Otherwise they will fight , but they will lose ( losing some population in the precess). 

The ability to sacrifice to mitigate this can also be a good idea. Necrophanges can sacrifice a population to increase hapines

And i should think that in depleated planets should have a major hapiness malus.

Im my opnion the cravers system should colapse one way or another, leaving only barren planets with only few cravers populations 

maurodelia wrote:

I realy like your idea about the slaves helping a invading force.

I know that the slaves are weaker them the cravers, and a sytem would only be "free" if the craver let reach something like 70% non cravers. Otherwise they will fight , but they will lose ( losing some population in the precess). 

The ability to sacrifice to mitigate this can also be a good idea. Necrophanges can sacrifice a population to increase hapines

And i should think that in depleated planets should have a major hapiness malus.

Im my opnion the cravers system should colapse one way or another, leaving only barren planets with only few cravers populations 

I think depleted planets should literally turn to Barren or Desert planets. That will affect both happiness and FIDS output.

yes, exactly

I think this is a problem with species interaction in general. It is just most noticeable on the cravers currently.

Currently the idea is that under all circumstances, any population that enters your empire is treated equally. Unforunately, most other species don't bring a benefit large enough to overcome their messing up your senate.

What I would like is 

1) benefits to having multiple species, whether as buildings, laws, or as a base part of some government types

2) ways to control species integration : Egalitarian, 2nd class citizens, slavery, or genocide. 

Obviously the cravers would start with slavery or genocide. 

It'd be even cooler if other pops on a craver planet slowly decreased, regardless of food output, and were replaced by cravers.

You know, because they're being eaten.

I kinda figured that would happen after reading the description of slave drivers.

This sounds like a great idea that'd improve the immersion and realism of the Cravers in my opinion.

And I agree with above messages pointing out that there needs to be some way to manage alien populations for all factions.

EcthelionHelm wrote:

I think this is a problem with species interaction in general. It is just most noticeable on the cravers currently.

Currently the idea is that under all circumstances, any population that enters your empire is treated equally. Unforunately, most other species don't bring a benefit large enough to overcome their messing up your senate.

What I would like is 

1) benefits to having multiple species, whether as buildings, laws, or as a base part of some government types

2) ways to control species integration : Egalitarian, 2nd class citizens, slavery, or genocide. 

Obviously the cravers would start with slavery or genocide. 

1) benefits to having multiple species, whether as buildings, laws, or as a base part of some government types 

I agree, righ now assimilating a minor faction don´t feel like a great thing. Is more like a bonus planet that will mess with your politics

maurodelia wrote:

EcthelionHelm wrote:

I think this is a problem with species interaction in general. It is just most noticeable on the cravers currently.

Currently the idea is that under all circumstances, any population that enters your empire is treated equally. Unforunately, most other species don't bring a benefit large enough to overcome their messing up your senate.

What I would like is 

1) benefits to having multiple species, whether as buildings, laws, or as a base part of some government types

2) ways to control species integration : Egalitarian, 2nd class citizens, slavery, or genocide. 

Obviously the cravers would start with slavery or genocide. 

1) benefits to having multiple species, whether as buildings, laws, or as a base part of some government types 

I agree, righ now assimilating a minor faction don´t feel like a great thing. Is more like a bonus planet that will mess with your politics

And I'd be okay with it if only happened in late game with huge empires, not a handful of colonies before the 100th turn.

Could´t agree more. The transition from a small one population empire to multi-race galatic empire should be very slow. This will even bring interesting diferences between the begining  and the end of the game.