Zennock wrote:
According to the wiki, the Riftborn belonged to the Industrialist idealogy. However, do you think they should have a different idealogy given their nature? 

I think the wiki is wrong. Their first leader is an ecologist.

vahouth wrote:

Zennock wrote:
According to the wiki, the Riftborn belonged to the Industrialist idealogy. However, do you think they should have a different idealogy given their nature? 

I think the wiki is wrong. Their first leader is an ecologist.

Wrong about the leader or about the riftborn ideology? The riftborn are most definitely industrialists. We saw in the stream yesterday that they do not use food at all, being constructed from industry like a system improvement. We also saw on the population screen that they have the 'anti-environmentalist' political trait. So they are hard-core industrialists. I mean they are only in this universe in order to find a way to fix their own; they do not care one bit for the ecology of the worlds they may find.  

Zennock wrote:

vahouth wrote:

Zennock wrote:
According to the wiki, the Riftborn belonged to the Industrialist idealogy. However, do you think they should have a different idealogy given their nature? 

I think the wiki is wrong. Their first leader is an ecologist.

But given by the lore, they hate the new universe they are in. 

And Ecology is supported by building lots of food-producing buildings, which the Riftborn don't use.  So...

Mailanka wrote:

Zennock wrote:

vahouth wrote:

Zennock wrote:
According to the wiki, the Riftborn belonged to the Industrialist idealogy. However, do you think they should have a different idealogy given their nature? 

I think the wiki is wrong. Their first leader is an ecologist.

But given by the lore, they hate the new universe they are in. 

And Ecology is supported by building lots of food-producing buildings, which the Riftborn don't use.  So...

Yeah, them being ecologist is a horrible idea. However, the Rift Borns being industrial still seems weird. Given how everything in their past world was "pristine" them being pacifist doesn't sound too much of a bad idea.

vahouth wrote:

Only 2 Eco laws have anything to do with food though, one that reduces the requirement for manpower and the other increases food in systems with anomalies. 

While they may not require food to grow, minors in their empire will still need it.

Besides, in the stream the Ecologists had the majority in the senate and their leader was an Ecologist.

This puzzles me as well, seeing how the empire presented in the stream didn't actually have a large Ecologist population and the Riftborn are Democratic, so if the majority of them were industrialists then that party should have won the elections.

It could be that the population is Industrialist but you start the game with the Ecologist political party and hero.... which while weird, wouldn't be that much of a stretch.

UndeadPuppy wrote:

vahouth wrote:

Only 2 Eco laws have anything to do with food though, one that reduces the requirement for manpower and the other increases food in systems with anomalies. 

While they may not require food to grow, minors in their empire will still need it.

Besides, in the stream the Ecologists had the majority in the senate and their leader was an Ecologist.

This puzzles me as well, seeing how the empire presented in the stream didn't actually have a large Ecologist population and the Riftborn are Democratic, so if the majority of them were industrialists then that party should have won the elections.

It could be that the population is Industrialist but you start the game with the Ecologist political party and hero.... which while weird, wouldn't be that much of a stretch.

Being industrialists while having an ecologist hero is certainly not intended, that's for sure.

They admited that much in the stream when I asked them.

UndeadPuppy wrote:

vahouth wrote:

Only 2 Eco laws have anything to do with food though, one that reduces the requirement for manpower and the other increases food in systems with anomalies. 

While they may not require food to grow, minors in their empire will still need it.

Besides, in the stream the Ecologists had the majority in the senate and their leader was an Ecologist.

This puzzles me as well, seeing how the empire presented in the stream didn't actually have a large Ecologist population and the Riftborn are Democratic, so if the majority of them were industrialists then that party should have won the elections.

It could be that the population is Industrialist but you start the game with the Ecologist political party and hero.... which while weird, wouldn't be that much of a stretch.

Well, it's been a while, but I remember one instance where my Sophon empire went Industrialist, apropo of nothing I could identify. Might have been the same thing happened here.

Buzzkillington1990 wrote:

UndeadPuppy wrote:

vahouth wrote:

Only 2 Eco laws have anything to do with food though, one that reduces the requirement for manpower and the other increases food in systems with anomalies. 

While they may not require food to grow, minors in their empire will still need it.

Besides, in the stream the Ecologists had the majority in the senate and their leader was an Ecologist.

This puzzles me as well, seeing how the empire presented in the stream didn't actually have a large Ecologist population and the Riftborn are Democratic, so if the majority of them were industrialists then that party should have won the elections.

It could be that the population is Industrialist but you start the game with the Ecologist political party and hero.... which while weird, wouldn't be that much of a stretch.

Well, it's been a while, but I remember one instance where my Sophon empire went Industrialist, apropo of nothing I could identify. Might have been the same thing happened here.

I don't doubt that can happen... but it would take a  lot of Ecologist activity like food and approval buildings to do that, and the Riftborn don't need food.

I also think the wiki is outdated and one of the other Riftborn heroes was changed to industrialist. but i'm not entirely sure.

Considering their lore it wouldn't be weird having an eco hero to join the Endless universe but then finding themselves adapting an indust lifestyle. Maybe them changing towards another specialization is just part of the faction? As player you have the option to either follow this path or change it however indus seems the most likely to follow considering they don't use food and build population in the Endless universe. 

See my reply to this thread: https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forum/65-general/thread/24092-sooo-we-re-not-getting-an-ecologist-faction-are-we?page=3#post-last 

Frogsquadron wrote:

See my reply to this thread: https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forum/65-general/thread/24092-sooo-we-re-not-getting-an-ecologist-faction-are-we?page=3#post-last 

Yep. That pretty much solves the mystery.

One last question though: Which Riftborn hero will be changed to the Industrialist ideology? So far they have Ecologist/Pacifist/Militarist/Religious and frankly they all fit those themes...I would feel bad if one of them were to be changed.

Most probably.