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7 years ago
Sep 10, 2017, 10:06:49 AM

Bonjour tous les mondes,


C'est quelque choose je prefer pour discusses. I love blowing up planets, however it kinda bothers me, that you can get away with it that easily. 


I mean you can completely and utterly wipe out a star system and everyone's like cool with it. At least the environmental party should have some quarrels with it.

Just look at north korea in the real world. They don't even nuke things yet and everyone gets upset with it, and sanctions them. 

If you imagine a planet destroyer kills an entire planet and can commit genocide, there should be a lot more trouble and civil unrest when using them. 

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7 years ago
Sep 10, 2017, 1:54:58 PM

Except this is a sci-fi/fan game, and why would aliens care? Just saying.

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7 years ago
Sep 10, 2017, 8:34:25 PM

I think a fair few of the races would care.Sophons,Lumeries,humans,treemen and a lot of the minor races.

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7 years ago
Sep 11, 2017, 3:31:53 AM
Ashbery76 wrote:

I think a fair few of the races would care.Sophons,Lumeries,humans,treemen and a lot of the minor races.

Unfallen? Probably. 


Human? No way.


Lumeris? Maybe.


Sophons? They are probably the ones doing it.

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7 years ago
Sep 11, 2017, 4:52:23 AM

Hm from a ethics side of view, to wipe out a inhabited planet is a monstruous and violent crime. It's basicly the worse action you can to do with enslaving people and eating them like cravers, or using population as disposable resource like vodyanis do. So i guess those two faction don't really give a fuck about  ethics, or they have a totally different vision of what is good and  what is bad. But the other factions don't look really interested about the crimes of vodyanis and cravers inside their own territories. 


In   the other hand, each faction react when another faction kills their civilians ships during war (including colonization ships, and explorers)  , even cravers ! So, actually, every faction react when  their civilians  are directly affected by war. When you destroy a  planet, you actually kill  so much civilians that i am a bit surprising  that the owner of the planet don't flood you with insults and threats.


From a strategic point of view, to destroy a system have some fair benefits. It's not costly. You don't have to capture and manage the system you destroy, and your ennemy canno't get his system back whatever how the war is going. It's the best way to make a ton of definitive damage to another empire without commiting your economy. Maybe empire's leadvers even respect that.


But in the other hand, it reduce the the living space, and the potential accessible resources of every empire of the galaxy. Imagine how poor a galaxy with half of its planet destroyed would be !   This is why from my point of view, even a cold hearted empire should react to a massive planet destruction. Not any empire care a lot about   how civilians of other factions suffer and die, but well, they could  use it at an excuse to condemn an abuse of planet destruction, just because they don't want to see their rich galaxy become a sterile desert.

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7 years ago
Sep 11, 2017, 3:58:35 PM

I definitely think that plantary destruction should be handled like nukes in the Civilization series. Sure you can use them, but everyone is going to be a bit nervous about it and may team up to take you out if you keep using them.

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7 years ago
Sep 11, 2017, 4:11:11 PM

Hi Everyone,


As always, thank you for the feedbacks.  Normally, there should be a mood message from the AI if you destroyed one of its planets or in specific cases, if you destroyed the planet of someone else they knew about (nobody is gonna cry about a planet they never saw from a civilization they didn't meet... and Cravers will never cry for anyone, that goes without saying :p).


You should definitively have receive a notification in this kind of situations but if you didn't, please do not hesitate to send us a save, I'll take a look ASAP.


Cheers :)

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7 years ago
Sep 11, 2017, 6:14:13 PM

Hey guys,


I think one section of my question wasn't answered. What about the ecologist political party? I'm 100% sure they'll have a problem with planet destruction as well as the ecology senators, I mean even the cravers greenpeace wouldn't like destroying planets.


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7 years ago
Sep 20, 2017, 1:48:13 PM

Reading this thread, I think that even not receiving a mood message or any direct action towards you, when using a planet cracker, each faction will change their diplomatic opinion and reaction trend towards the one using it.


Think that this trend should change different for each faction, here my ideas of how they shoul behave:


Faction
What think about planet cracker?
Reaction when other player uses against another player
Reaction when having a planet destroyed
Idea of using it
Cravers
No moral issues. Still a lose of food and slaves.Don't care.Try to completely kill the user. Food doesn't revolt!A waste of food, but having no ethics forbidding it, they'll will use as long as it doesn't starve them.
Horatio
It destroys the beauty of galaxy.Get angry with this player.Think will try to achieve a truce, but still not sure of their reaction.Avoid if there are other means.
Lumeris
Don't care as long as they can make money from this event (i.e. destroying a competitor)Don't care as long as they're not having business with this player, like a trade agreement. In this case will consider attacking the user.Seek for a negotiaotion that takes them out of the war with this player. If possible avoiding loses, and even try to get some dust from it.Better pay another one to do it. Our customers never will suspect.
Riftborn
Another curse of this mad universe.Don't care.Will defend, but not necessary to the point to try to destroy the user. As I see thy want to survive, not seek for revenge.Tehy'll use only if this is necessary to ensure their survival.
Sophons
A way to study the core of a planet.Get curious. Want this tech. They'll try to negotiate for it, made a sci agreement with the user or start researching themselves.Not sure. Think an extreme reaction, but can be either at war or total surrender.I see using for two reasons: study a planet core or having no other option to win a war.
Unfallen
Guardians of the peace, think they'll see it as an offense to whole galaxy, something abominable.Declare war on user, or at least break agreements with him/her.War against those that kills so many living entities.I can't see them using it. Well sure some players have fun in this.
[Just remembered nuclear Gandhi in Civ series]
United Empire
A tool to make Zelevas even greater.Basically dont care, as long as this doesn't compromises their agreements or trade routes, in that case hates the user.Seek for revenge. None can defy mighty Zelevas this way.No problen in using it if this is for the greatness of Empire. But probably dont' use if there's no gain in doing so.
Vodyani
A waste of essence.Don't care as long as it doesn't compromises essence harvesting, in that case will turn agressive to the user.A crime against the Church. The user should be erradicated.Think will won't use if they have any other option, to avoid destroying essence.
[Here caution with their quest, but I won't make spoilers here]
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7 years ago
Oct 2, 2017, 7:47:30 AM

You're all making humans look so bad and cold hearted, as if they were all Germans. (based on UE reactions)

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7 years ago
Oct 2, 2017, 2:03:07 PM

Pacifist populations should be nervous too I think.


Moreover, as factions are capable of ideological shifts, diplomatic reactions might be based on the ruling party.



Schell wrote:

Hi Everyone,


As always, thank you for the feedbacks.  Normally, there should be a mood message from the AI if you destroyed one of its planets or in specific cases, if you destroyed the planet of someone else they knew about (nobody is gonna cry about a planet they never saw from a civilization they didn't meet... and Cravers will never cry for anyone, that goes without saying :p).


You should definitively have receive a notification in this kind of situations but if you didn't, please do not hesitate to send us a save, I'll take a look ASAP.


Cheers :)

I don't have a save but I surely never recieved such a notification.



thiasss wrote:

You're all making humans look so bad and cold hearted, as if they were all Germans. (based on UE reactions)

That's because all the humans are so bad and cold hearted.

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7 years ago
Oct 3, 2017, 4:34:57 PM

Humans might use it to extract information.  Note Star Wars IV, where Tarkin and Vader destroy Alderan.  That humans can even consider this, probably makes them worse than the Unfallen?

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7 years ago
Oct 3, 2017, 5:57:11 PM

As I see:

Ufallen --> the good ones. Paladins of the galaxy.

UE (humans) --> not the bad ones, jut pragmatic, with no doubts on doing anythng necessary, but won't harm if there's no need to do so.

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