Lore question lifespans

solrac137

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22 900g2g pts

7 years ago

Feb 11, 2018, 9:48:26 PM

So i was doing a vodyani playtrhough and i found an even with an old sophon lady and i wondered, how many years does the different races of ES2 and ES in general live?

Do we have any info on that ? i mean there is some stuff here and there, for example, the academy was found back when the mezzari existed which means that the academy leader is thousands of years old, horatio is probably thousands of years old but i dont think he counts since he is probably modified in one war or the other, but what about the other races like the riftborn or the unfallen or the cravers and what do you guys think ?

Here i my thoughts on different races

United empire: Probably as much as us, maybe a bit more due more advanced medical tech, we know that Zelevas has been on charge for 40 years so he is probably on his 60/80 ?

Cravers: It will probably depend on the type of craver, there is that craver queen hero which existed back in the dust wars so she is probably thousands or millions of years old, but thats maybe because he was on suspended animation or something

Vodyani: Im sure they doesnt age at all or at least pretty slowly at least based on the fact that the academy was founded back in the times of the mezzari empire

Horatio: Maybe they live as much as horatio, being clones and all but i doubt it, with their fast population growth it would be a bad idea so maybe clones live as much as humans

Sophons: Unknown but i wouldnt be surprised if they live more than humans, they probably have lots of life extending techs

Unfallen: i think it has been mentioned already i dont remember well, i think there is something about living hundreds of years i might be wrong on this

Vaulters: I dont know alot about them since i havent bought the DLC so probably as much as other humans, but if anyone has better info feel free to post it:P

Riftborn: Being robots and all i suppose they are inmortal , but maybe not since in their quest their leader says something about dying of old age

Lumeris: Unknown

What do you guys think ?

lovinglydull

Sanitary Library

lovinglydull

Sanitary Library

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7 years ago

Feb 11, 2018, 11:58:34 PM

Lumeris seem to at least have a somewhat similar lifespan to humans, as well as a similar familial structure considering they referred to sons and daughters in the side comic. As for things like the ancient Craver queen, I have a feeling that Dust exposure radically alters the lifespan of anything sentient that gets exposed to it.

Horatio, it would probably depend on which aliens they've spliced into their DNA.

I see Sophons living shorter lives than humans, personally. Only because they've either blown themselves up or have succumbed to some engineered superplague in the name of Science.

Suis3i

Voyager

There were endless Endless and then there were limited Endless

Suis3i

Voyager

7 years ago

Feb 12, 2018, 5:33:42 AM

You can assume, because of Dust as well as the advanced technologies found within the Endless Universe b/c of the Endless and other Factions, that most races in the ES2 Universe live exponentially longer than we do lol.

Raiains (United Empire/Mezari): Probably live slightly longer than the average human (here on Earth). But thanks to Dust, the wealthy and powerful can probably live far longer; Zelevas, for example, is practically immortal at the end of the UE Main Quest thanks to his use of Dust.

Horatio: Horatio the First is thousands of years old since he is the (confirmed) author of the Journal in DoTE (there was a post about it and the comics); since DoTE takes place roughly 2 millennia before the events of ES2, you can probably assume he is 2-2.5 thousand years old. This is due to his use of Endless Technology, as well as probably some Dust usage and the fact that early on he traveled in cryo ships.

His clones probably live as long as the average human being (80-130 years) though I doubt they show signs of aging due to genetic modification, b/c to them being more for working and filling an empire, and immortal clones would threaten Horatio the Firsts own existence and "perfection".

Vaulters (Aurigans): Zolya and others of the Zolya Clan (including the Mezari ones and the Mythical Raian one) are practically immortal, or extremely long living, this probably has to do with a special relationship to Dust and their Mezari Forebearers. Zolya Ilona and Zolya Judit are probably a little older than a thousand years since they were born at the start /middle of Endless Legend and survive through all the tech stages (so a few decades), and then the time between the Argosy lifting off and their ultimate reunification a thousand years later.

The typical Vaulters probably have longer lives than the average Mezari descendent (Humans). This is in part due to their inbreeding with other Aurigan peoples, their technology and a relationship with Dust.

Lumeris: Lifespan is closer to that of Humans, but like humans, their use of Dust can extend their lifespans exponentially (though this isn't common among the majority of the Lumerian population).

Sophons: Probably a longer lifespan than the average human; if you look at the Sophons comic, it's kinda implied that the main character (ENFER's creator) is pretty old, and the Sykajoga quest implies that they can live for centuries. This is probably due to the large amount of radiation found on Hekim; as well as their advanced technology, and possible Dust usage.

Cravers: Since the typical Craver is partly mechanical, one can assume they live longer, but I don't remember specific mentionings of their lifespans so one can only assume. However, like you mentioned Oroyo Ner Freed, is probably hundreds of thousands years old, but this is due to her mostly being an Andriod/Cyborg and that she was cryo imprisoned which artificially extends her lifespan so it's hard to gage at a typical Craver from her experience.

Riftborn: they're not exactly robots, think of them like the Virtuals or the Vodyani with their Cloth; their bodies (the robotic suits) house their "souls"/"consciousness"/"matter"/"essence" from Cortez, their own universe. So they probably can die of old age of a sort, in which their suit would probably stop functioning. However, due to their powers to manipulate time, they can probably become immortal in multiple realities and extend or shorten their lifespans. It's really complicated but I think it's safe to say they don't have a lifespan in the typical sense that we would think of it.

Unfallen: Unfallen can live for thousands of years, think of them as the giant Sequoia of the West Coast of NA, or other long-living tree species. Since they go through 3 stages, their lifespan is really cut up into 3 stages. For Firsts (the seed stage) I think it lasts anywhere from decades to a few centuries, Seconds (the typical look of the Unfallen) is centuries, but ranges due to each individual, and Thirds (the Rooting Tree Stage/Guardians) is probably tens of thousands of years old. This is due to their genetic makeup, as well as their connection to Dust b/c of Koyasil (a Lost).

Vodyani: I think the oldest Vodyani are 2-3 thousand years old, due to the founding of the Academy being held centuries after the founding of their current civilization, as you stated it occurred during the Mezari Empire which was at least a thousand years ago. The Vodyani also don't really age, since they are virtualized into the Cloth and their souls act like the Virtual Endless. So they're practically immortal unless you kill one. Also to become a Vodyani, your essence is virtualized so you could, for example, take Horatio, an already extremely old being, and virtualize him, and then he'd be "born" as a Vodyani who is already thousands of years old. So basically their age is "immortal" or does not have an easily quatifiable lifespan since it is very individualized due to how they take on new members into their society.

The Endless and the Lost: Immortal, they don't have lifespans because of both factions unique relationship and usage of Dust.

It is also good to note that none of the factions are restrained by typical lifespan conventions due to the presence of Dust in the Endless Universe as well as the fact that they are hella advanced and could expand their own lifespans through technological means.

Also all species lifespans can be cut short due to war, disease (though that probably doesn't matter quite as much anymore), or any non-natural means, but what I stated above is just for their "natural" lifespan, like when they'll eventually die of "organs not working" kinda stuff

Updated 7 years ago.

Torahel

Wild Dust

Torahel

Wild Dust

25 500g2g pts

7 years ago

Feb 12, 2018, 9:16:47 AM

About dust and the lumeris: "We collect it, invest it; no personnal use!"

I wonder if wealthy lumeris use dust to expand their lifespan, is it a taboo in their society? it's maybe a threat to the balance of power between the Four Families.

Suis3i

Voyager

There were endless Endless and then there were limited Endless

Suis3i

Voyager

7 years ago

Feb 12, 2018, 3:56:56 PM

Torahel wrote:
About dust and the lumeris: "We collect it, invest it; no personnal use!"

I wonder if wealthy lumeris use dust to expand their lifespan, is it a taboo in their society? it's maybe a threat to the balance of power between the Four Families.

Theoretically they don’t and aren’t suppose to but based on how their society is and how the powerful Lumerians act, it wouldn’t be surprising if they used it to extend their lifespans

Torahel

Wild Dust

Torahel

Wild Dust

25 500g2g pts

7 years ago

Feb 12, 2018, 4:27:35 PM

It would be logical in deed that lumeris leaders use dust this way. In my opinion, a person like Arden (who doesn't respect their code) using Dust to improove his capacities is the actual threat.

Suis3i

Voyager

There were endless Endless and then there were limited Endless

Suis3i

Voyager

7 years ago

Feb 12, 2018, 7:37:05 PM

Torahel wrote:
It would be logical in deed that lumeris leaders use dust this way. In my opinion, a person like Arden (who doesn't respect their code) using Dust to improove his capacities is the actual threat.

lol well I’m not sure if any of them are actual threats since their society has clearly been like this for a while, i mean remember the Lumerian black market/smuggling quest where it states that once they get it going it can’t be shut down. Or the comic lol.

But let’s not detract from this thread

fdjw88

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Create to Destroy

fdjw88

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7 200g2g pts

7 years ago

Feb 12, 2018, 7:49:26 PM

since the cravers are always hungry, it would apply that their metabolism is extremely quick, just like human, younger kids are much easier to get hungry when compared to a 60 year old, because of the metabolism difference. that's why dogs lives are shorter than human, because on average, dogs' motabolism is much higher than human, which is also why you see dogs being very energetic all the time. as a result, i would say besides the craver queen, the average craver probably have short live span.

in addition, cravers do not need long life span, because they are just killing machines, and an average craver do not even have self awareness. most of them just pop out from an egg and begin killing until they die. however, there is a tiny percentage of cravers who are the brains of this faction, and those ones probably have long life span.

Suis3i

Voyager

There were endless Endless and then there were limited Endless

Suis3i

Voyager

7 years ago

Feb 12, 2018, 8:17:42 PM

fdjw88 wrote:
since the cravers are always hungry, it would apply that their metabolism is extremely quick, just like human, younger kids are much easier to get hungry when compared to a 60 year old, because of the metabolism difference. that's why dogs lives are shorter than human, because on average, dogs' motabolism is much higher than human, which is also why you see dogs being very energetic all the time. as a result, i would say besides the craver queen, the average craver probably have short live span.

in addition, cravers do not need long life span, because they are just killing machines, and an average craver do not even have self awareness. most of them just pop out from an egg and begin killing until they die. however, there is a tiny percentage of cravers who are the brains of this faction, and those ones probably have long life span.

I don’t think they have a short lifespan simce they were Virtual creations used to wage war. And it would be economically unwise to spend all that time creating a fighting force that can die of starvation faster than other species, since during war you wouldn’t want attrition killing your army no matter how fast you can generate it. That would also make sense as to why the Virtuals bombarded Husk to near oblivion, there would have been little to no need if Cravers died so quickly of starvation (other than destroying any potential space age tech, which wasn’t exactly present in large amounts due to Husk being a relativily random planet).

Also, they were made to be originally cyborgs (with Wasps being the complete andriod version), and so the current cybernetic enhancements would do well to keep them alive. Furthermore, just because they have an Endless (

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