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7 years ago
Apr 11, 2018, 8:16:32 AM

It's hard to gauge exactly how much visuals or having the breakdown of votes can affect votes, but in the case of visuals, the influence was obvious in the way people in the comments would say X or Y about a proposal's supporting visual. Considering you only see the vote breakdown from the main page of the votes, and not from the vote itself, I think you'd have to want to know how the vote is going, in order to find out.

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7 years ago
Apr 10, 2018, 1:25:18 AM
Lightjolly wrote:

Thats a bit hypocritical  seeing as my last response was 4 hours ago and you had to bring this up again after a perfectly funny comment to shut things down by  Sinnaj, I thought we concluded it was pointless since the devs are going to take action

It's rude not to respond and the reason as to why I responded so much later is I'm busy and don't spend every second on G2G (?) 


& I did say it was pointless but you decided to respond with a comment that continued the previous debate instead of just responding with one that stated this was pointless. Huh, it's almost like you couldn't give it up. 


I wouldn't have responded if you had just read what I said and dropped into instead of trying to win the argument. 

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7 years ago
Apr 9, 2018, 11:19:07 PM

That's a bit hypocritical  seeing as my last response was 4 hours ago and you had to bring this up again after a perfectly funny comment to shut things down by  Sinnaj, I thought we concluded it was pointless since the devs are going to take action


↓Edit: Yup as expected, hypocrite says stop trying to "win the argument" as he tries desperately to win the argument. 

             Sorry everyone and OP this thread turned south, I'll be the grown up out of the two and just drop this

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7 years ago
Apr 9, 2018, 10:40:13 PM
Lightjolly wrote:

Well the fact the devs said that it shouldn't be like that and changes will come just reinforces what I said, that seeing the numbers does in some shape or form, influences votes. If it wasn't a problem it would stay the same simple



I never said it didn't influence, I said you were inflating the amount of influence it has on people voting. Stop trying to win the argument. 

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7 years ago
Apr 9, 2018, 7:42:04 PM

I propose the Zelevas Principle: I am crowned Emperor and and make all decisions. My first decree is implementing the Zelevas principle!

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7 years ago
Apr 9, 2018, 7:38:50 PM

Well the fact the devs said that it shouldn't be like that and changes will come just reinforces what I said, that seeing the numbers does in some shape or form, influences votes. If it wasn't a problem it would stay the same simple



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Apr 9, 2018, 6:42:52 PM
Lightjolly wrote:

That's not how I saw it, then again votes are marathons not sprints, doesn't matter who starts out faster, the  most consistent one wins


Seeing the numbers do affect influence, though some may stick with their desire many others are just going to see the how the vote is going and think "why to bother voting for this option, it's most definitely not going to win" and they'll choose another option with better chances at winning.


 You're underestimating how much people like to win, even in votes, there's a reason you don't see the numbers until the very end when polls close in all types of voting activities 

By your logic, the jump in the beginning would’ve greatly influenced people to vote for Parasite. If influence by who is voting matters most, then whoever starts off with the most votes should win. But that’s not what happenes b/c there are many other factors imvolved when voting. Especially in a design contest where people are (probably) only voting b/c they want to see a certain design win. 


Furthermore, wraith most definitely was not winning by a long shot fot a majority of the vote, it was mostly neck-and-neck, so even if people who initially supported Arachnid decided to vote for whichever one they believed would win, it could have been either, depending on the time in which people voted. 


People vote for more than winning, b/c most people aren’t in it for the sake of just winning, but only for winning if it personally benefits them. In this case, if they voted for Wraith instead of Parasite b/c those were the only two choices that had a chance of winning, it is likely b/c they liked the overall thought and idea of a wraith faction over the thought and idea of a parasitical faction, and thus wanted the wraith faction to win b/c it personally benefitted them. 

Bottom line, Frogsquadron stated that you shouldn’t be able to see the numbers until after voting, and if you are able to right now, then the DEVs will probably fix that issue for the next vote. So arguing over something that has already happened, that the DEVs will most likely address, is pointless.  


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7 years ago
Apr 9, 2018, 5:58:51 PM

Glad to see i've started a decent bit of discussion with my first big thread.

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7 years ago
Apr 8, 2018, 1:22:17 AM

Looking over the past few vots I feel that While the images may be nice, they tip where the votes land, I feel that the images should not be there for the sake of fair voting without going by what looks cool.



I would set up a poll here if I knew how too.

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Apr 9, 2018, 5:38:32 PM

That's not how I saw it, then again votes are marathons not sprints, doesn't matter who starts out faster, the  most consistent one wins


Seeing the numbers do affect influence, though some may stick with their desire many others are just going to see the how the vote is going and think "why to bother voting for this option, it's most definitely not going to win" and they'll choose another option with better chances at winning.


 You're underestimating how much people like to win, even in votes, there's a reason you don't see the numbers until the very end when polls close in all types of voting activities 

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7 years ago
Apr 9, 2018, 5:15:17 PM

@LightJolly I voted early on, and parasite was definitey ahead by quite a large margin. Now they did close the gap and Wraith eventually surpassed Parasite but it most definitely was not neck-and-neck the entire time. 


As for why Arachnid didn’t do well, I was reading the comments and there seems to have been a general consensus that it didn’t fit the theme as well as the other two options. It seems that you may be inflating the influence that seeing the number of votes per catagory has on someones choice. 

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7 years ago
Apr 9, 2018, 3:46:05 PM
Suis3i wrote:
Lightjolly wrote:

Remove the vote counts, I mean what is the point of voting if you see how the results are going, many are just going to vote for who's winning

Although that’s an interesting theory, I’m not sure if you have evidence to back it up. And I’m not sure if that’s entirely true, during the vote to decide the species type, Parasite was far in the lead and then Wraith overtook it and won. 

False, they were neck and neck for a little while, but nothing too far apart then wraith just went crazy ahead for the majority of the vote, and with how rarely comebacks happen,  you think for examples someones going to vote for arachnid when they can actually see how big the gap is and only a few days left?


Frogsquadron wrote:
Lightjolly wrote:

Remove the vote counts, I mean what is the point of voting if you see how the results are going, many are just going to vote for who's winning

Normally, you should only see results when you've voted.

I thought that too until someone pointed out to me you could see how the vote was going before even voting, by looking at the colored bars.

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Apr 9, 2018, 2:54:21 PM
Lightjolly wrote:

Remove the vote counts, I mean what is the point of voting if you see how the results are going, many are just going to vote for who's winning

Normally, you should only see results when you've voted.

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Apr 9, 2018, 2:14:39 PM
Lightjolly wrote:

Remove the vote counts, I mean what is the point of voting if you see how the results are going, many are just going to vote for who's winning

Although that’s an interesting theory, I’m not sure if you have evidence to back it up. And I’m not sure if that’s entirely true, during the vote to decide the species type, Parasite was far in the lead and then Wraith overtook it and won. 

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7 years ago
Apr 9, 2018, 2:10:11 PM

Remove the vote counts, I mean what is the point of voting if you see how the results are going, many are just going to vote for who's winning

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7 years ago
Apr 9, 2018, 9:20:24 AM

As Suis3i put it, this last vote has concept art because this is precisely what's being voted on: the visual design of the faction itself!


When an image is thought to be able to skew the vote in one or the other direction, we'll probably refrain from using it (or use something abstract enough that it won't).

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7 years ago
Apr 8, 2018, 8:04:49 AM

We have decided not to add a silhouette to each voting option, as we think they influence the votes a bit too heavily. Use your imagination!

That's from "Creating the Spy Faction, Part 3; Species Morphology 


I think images found in faction creation voting contests, will only be included when absolutely necessary. As for the last vote, Part 4, they included it due to the fact that they were deciding the Visual Design, in which, the voters would have to know what it looked like in order to vote (as those were all concept arts for the faction). But for future things, like whether or not the species will be Humanoid, Alien, Technological, or Endless, Ancient, Modern I think they'll forgo voting. 


As for creating a poll, go to the top right corner of the "create new thread" page (the one you were on when creating this) and it says "create a poll" just click on that, and gives you options for naming the topics you want people to vote for, whether or not you want more than two, etc. 


Hope this helps ! 

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