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6 years ago
Aug 11, 2018, 12:01:57 AM

Obviously we all know that the cravers are creation from the virtual endless , this cant be discussed since it has been like this since endless space 1 came out, but what about their more modern origins ? how did they survived the orbital bombardment of their homeplanet husk?


I was thinking about this while playing my craver campaign , and i have the following theory.


Craver time line



1. The endless create the cravers ( hundreds of thousands/million of years before the main events)


The endlless create the cravers they start consuming planets billions die blahblah blah.


2. The cravers prove to be too good at their job ( some time during the dust wars )


During their deployement the cravers prove to be too dangerous or something else happens that make the virtuals thinking about a craver genocide


3. The endless reunite the cravers in husk


Probably using the same signal that the endless hero uses to call the cravers during their questline, all cravers go to husk 


4. The endless procede to bomb husk into obvlivion 


Im not geologist but judging from the craters the explossions must ve been huge so chances are that the planet turned into a incandecent ball of lava.



If husk is as large as earth then that crater would be 2095 km across thats 14 times larger than the chicxulub crater and the planet has dozens of those, which means that husk probably looked like this by the time of the endless wars.



Ours planet crust and possibly husks crust too since both planets seem to be similar, are only 100 km thick so craters that large should ve pierced into the mantle filling the planet with hot magma, but this brings a problem. If husk was a ball of magma how is that its inhabitable and how cravers survived something like that?


Well i have two theories.


Theory number 1


The endless wars happened several millions of years giving the planet enough time to cool off, maybe the water would remain in the atmosphere as vapour and rain over the planet millions of years after cooling the planet off.


Theory number 2


The sowers found the lava filled world of husk and terraformed it into what we see today.


Both theories doesnt answer one of my questions how did the cravers survived that ?


Well i have a theory for this, the endless during their orbital bombardment forgot one queen or one small craver ship which by mere chance or something else crashed into the terraformed world of husk thousands or millions of years after, we know that craver queens can remain in stasis for several years so this makes sense. 


What do you think ? 

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6 years ago
Aug 11, 2018, 12:21:53 AM
Numerlor wrote:

Just one thing; I'm pretty sure Cravers were made by Virtuals

A small typo on my part thanks alot for that i will edit it right now, besides that what do you think ? :) 

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Aug 11, 2018, 12:41:25 AM

The Cravers are the creation of the Virtual, not Concrete Endless, with the first intended purpose being an unstoppable force used to invade and decimate Concrete Worlds. The second intended purpose is that the Cravers were the first part of a Virtual military project that would ultimately transform the Cravers into Wasps, Android (Robot) suits that possess the traits of a Craver that makes them such good soldiers with the added bonus that these suits can be accessed by a Virtual Presence anywhere and at any time (The Craver Main Quest states this). They Virtuals didn't deem the Cravers too dangerous or anything of the sort, in actuality, the Cravers had outlived their usefulness and the Virtuals condemned most of them to Husk, bombing it to the "Stone Age" and then shut down the Craver program. 



I doubt they used some sort of "signal" or anything, rather the Cravers, being soldiers under the control of the Virtual Endless, were simply let off there on Virtual starships. 


There's no indication that the planet turned into a large ball of lava. Afterall, the Cravers, especially at a pre-information age technological level, would be unlikely to survive in a harsh environment like a lava planet. Rather, the planets "type" stayed the same and the Cravers struggled to survive until the modern day utilizing a mix of leftover Endless technology, crashed starships, and their own ingenuity (a small portion of the Cravers are intelligent, and the Stratocracy likely involved out of this struggle). 


Husk is about 100 miles smaller than Earth (looking at the Global radius). Btw there isn't a singular crater, the planet sustained an orbital bombardment, and clearly shows signs of many craters throughout the planet's surface. The effects of an orbital bombardment aren't as drastic as terraforming an entire planet to one global climate, but likely would have kicked up large amounts of dust (not the shiny gold, remains of the Lost, but a mix of dirt, and other pieces of terrain) and possibly ash (depending on what they bombarded the planet with and what the bombardments hit) which would leave the planet with choked atmosphere, little to no sunlight on most, if not all of the surface, and massive tidal waves that would flood the shores of the planets continents. 


The bombardment occurred during the Dust Wars (what you called the Endless Wars), and likely during the end of the Dust Wars, as the Cravers were one of the main tools utilized by the Virtual Endless faction against the Concretes. 


An orbital Bombardment is highly unlikely to have pierced the surface of a planet. Highly Unlikely. The Planet Cracker animation shows what it would be like if a projectile or energy blast pierced the planet's surface and made its way into the core. That would completely destroy the planet and send debris into the atmosphere and likely erode the atmosphere of the planet leaving it completely uninhabitable. 


That alone debunks the theories. It's more likely the Cravers barely survived the orbital bombardment and years, if not decades of massive climate change that occurred after the orbital bombardment (given that the Cravers consume w/o end and would have likely begun to cannibalize themselves as most of the natural life left on Husk would have died off during/after the bombardment or have been already eaten by the Cravers) and then the remaining Cravers would have, over hundreds, if not thousands of years clambered their way back to the stars. 

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Aug 11, 2018, 4:44:53 PM
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The Cravers are the creation of the Virtual, not Concrete Endless, with the first intended purpose being an unstoppable force used to invade and decimate Concrete Worlds. The second intended purpose is that the Cravers were the first part of a Virtual military project that would ultimately transform the Cravers into Wasps, Android (Robot) suits that possess the traits of a Craver that makes them such good soldiers with the added bonus that these suits can be accessed by a Virtual Presence anywhere and at any time (The Craver Main Quest states this). They Virtuals didn't deem the Cravers too dangerous or anything of the sort, in actuality, the Cravers had outlived their usefulness and the Virtuals condemned most of them to Husk, bombing it to the "Stone Age" and then shut down the Craver program. 



I doubt they used some sort of "signal" or anything, rather the Cravers, being soldiers under the control of the Virtual Endless, were simply let off there on Virtual starships. 


There's no indication that the planet turned into a large ball of lava. Afterall, the Cravers, especially at a pre-information age technological level, would be unlikely to survive in a harsh environment like a lava planet. Rather, the planets "type" stayed the same and the Cravers struggled to survive until the modern day utilizing a mix of leftover Endless technology, crashed starships, and their own ingenuity (a small portion of the Cravers are intelligent, and the Stratocracy likely involved out of this struggle). 


Husk is about 100 miles smaller than Earth (looking at the Global radius). Btw there isn't a singular crater, the planet sustained an orbital bombardment, and clearly shows signs of many craters throughout the planet's surface. The effects of an orbital bombardment aren't as drastic as terraforming an entire planet to one global climate, but likely would have kicked up large amounts of dust (not the shiny gold, remains of the Lost, but a mix of dirt, and other pieces of terrain) and possibly ash (depending on what they bombarded the planet with and what the bombardments hit) which would leave the planet with choked atmosphere, little to no sunlight on most, if not all of the surface, and massive tidal waves that would flood the shores of the planets continents. 


The bombardment occurred during the Dust Wars (what you called the Endless Wars), and likely during the end of the Dust Wars, as the Cravers were one of the main tools utilized by the Virtual Endless faction against the Concretes. 


An orbital Bombardment is highly unlikely to have pierced the surface of a planet. Highly Unlikely. The Planet Cracker animation shows what it would be like if a projectile or energy blast pierced the planet's surface and made its way into the core. That would completely destroy the planet and send debris into the atmosphere and likely erode the atmosphere of the planet leaving it completely uninhabitable. 


That alone debunks the theories. It's more likely the Cravers barely survived the orbital bombardment and years, if not decades of massive climate change that occurred after the orbital bombardment (given that the Cravers consume w/o end and would have likely begun to cannibalize themselves as most of the natural life left on Husk would have died off during/after the bombardment or have been already eaten by the Cravers) and then the remaining Cravers would have, over hundreds, if not thousands of years clambered their way back to the stars. 

Oh well i can agree with you on the first points but i cant agree with the bombardment part for the following reasons.


1. The fact that the cravers exist doesnt neccesarily means that the planet wasnt glassed, actually i never said they survived that, instead my theory is that the cravers died on husk and a small ship was probably forgotten by the endless ( this happened already ) after time passed ( hundreds of thousands of years maybe less if the planet was terraformed), this relates perfectly with the planet being almost destroyed


2. The craters are more than enough indication keep this in mind, this is the crater made by the K - T impact.



I am aware there are several craters all of them several times larger than the chicxulub crater left by the k - T impact. 


The one i posted would be using pixel would have a diameter of 2095 km thats 1302 miles or the distance the crater is so large that texas would fit inside of it, actually is twice as long as texas from it widest points.


If you placed the crater on the US it would go from utah to missoure the explossion that caused that crater was far larger than anything that our planet experienced, except maybe when the moon was formed.


3. The effects of orbital bombardment will depend on the scale of the orbital weaponry used this can vary betwhen different works of sci fi, one side you have mass effect and eve online where orbital bombardment is used with precision and we dont see widepread destruction on the other side you have halo where the entire surface of the planet is set on flames or on the more extreme side of the spectrum , stellaris or 40k where the planet is reduced to a flaming inferno.


Based on the size of those craters we can easily assume it was the later.



Husk is filled with craters the size of countries the endless were obviosly trying their best to kill the cravers.


A crater of that size unless is extremely shallow  its going to pierce into the mantle , our planet crust is only 35 km deep, even the chicxulub crater which was caused by a far smaller explossion was 20 km deep.


Using a planetary impact calculator 


https://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/cgi-bin/crater.cgi?dist=50&diam=15000&pdens=8000&pdens_select=0&vel=900&theta=90&tdens=2500&tdens_select=0


a crater of similar size would be caused by a blast of 1.37 exatons thats like 1 million K- T impacts and there are several craters of similar size so its safe to assume that something more drastic than a mere nuclear winter happened on husk.



4. What happens on a planet after is hit by the corecraker its probably what happened on husk, we know that the endless had the technnology to terraform fragmented planets ( behemonths are endless ships arent they ?) and time should ve fixed the planet eventually along with gravity , the floating pieces would ve united by the effect of gravity after millions of years and the planet would ve cooled off.


Now i dont think that the cravers survived something on that scale but just how food or other items that are apparently sterilized can be contaminated maybe something similar happened in husk, a lone floating craver ship or pod floated around the planet until million of years after it crashed into a more havitable husk.

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6 years ago
Aug 11, 2018, 4:44:53 PM
Suis3i wrote:

The Cravers are the creation of the Virtual, not Concrete Endless, with the first intended purpose being an unstoppable force used to invade and decimate Concrete Worlds. The second intended purpose is that the Cravers were the first part of a Virtual military project that would ultimately transform the Cravers into Wasps, Android (Robot) suits that possess the traits of a Craver that makes them such good soldiers with the added bonus that these suits can be accessed by a Virtual Presence anywhere and at any time (The Craver Main Quest states this). They Virtuals didn't deem the Cravers too dangerous or anything of the sort, in actuality, the Cravers had outlived their usefulness and the Virtuals condemned most of them to Husk, bombing it to the "Stone Age" and then shut down the Craver program. 



I doubt they used some sort of "signal" or anything, rather the Cravers, being soldiers under the control of the Virtual Endless, were simply let off there on Virtual starships. 


There's no indication that the planet turned into a large ball of lava. Afterall, the Cravers, especially at a pre-information age technological level, would be unlikely to survive in a harsh environment like a lava planet. Rather, the planets "type" stayed the same and the Cravers struggled to survive until the modern day utilizing a mix of leftover Endless technology, crashed starships, and their own ingenuity (a small portion of the Cravers are intelligent, and the Stratocracy likely involved out of this struggle). 


Husk is about 100 miles smaller than Earth (looking at the Global radius). Btw there isn't a singular crater, the planet sustained an orbital bombardment, and clearly shows signs of many craters throughout the planet's surface. The effects of an orbital bombardment aren't as drastic as terraforming an entire planet to one global climate, but likely would have kicked up large amounts of dust (not the shiny gold, remains of the Lost, but a mix of dirt, and other pieces of terrain) and possibly ash (depending on what they bombarded the planet with and what the bombardments hit) which would leave the planet with choked atmosphere, little to no sunlight on most, if not all of the surface, and massive tidal waves that would flood the shores of the planets continents. 


The bombardment occurred during the Dust Wars (what you called the Endless Wars), and likely during the end of the Dust Wars, as the Cravers were one of the main tools utilized by the Virtual Endless faction against the Concretes. 


An orbital Bombardment is highly unlikely to have pierced the surface of a planet. Highly Unlikely. The Planet Cracker animation shows what it would be like if a projectile or energy blast pierced the planet's surface and made its way into the core. That would completely destroy the planet and send debris into the atmosphere and likely erode the atmosphere of the planet leaving it completely uninhabitable. 


That alone debunks the theories. It's more likely the Cravers barely survived the orbital bombardment and years, if not decades of massive climate change that occurred after the orbital bombardment (given that the Cravers consume w/o end and would have likely begun to cannibalize themselves as most of the natural life left on Husk would have died off during/after the bombardment or have been already eaten by the Cravers) and then the remaining Cravers would have, over hundreds, if not thousands of years clambered their way back to the stars. 

Oh well i can agree with you on the first points but i cant agree with the bombardment part for the following reasons.


1. The fact that the cravers exist doesnt neccesarily means that the planet wasnt glassed, actually i never said they survived that, instead my theory is that the cravers died on husk and a small ship was probably forgotten by the endless ( this happened already ) after time passed ( hundreds of thousands of years maybe less if the planet was terraformed), this relates perfectly with the planet being almost destroyed


2. The craters are more than enough indication keep this in mind, this is the crater made by the K - T impact.



I am aware there are several craters all of them several times larger than the chicxulub crater left by the k - T impact. 


The one i posted would be using pixel would have a diameter of 2095 km thats 1302 miles or the distance the crater is so large that texas would fit inside of it, actually is twice as long as texas from it widest points.


If you placed the crater on the US it would go from utah to missoure the explossion that caused that crater was far larger than anything that our planet experienced, except maybe when the moon was formed.


3. The effects of orbital bombardment will depend on the scale of the orbital weaponry used this can vary betwhen different works of sci fi, one side you have mass effect and eve online where orbital bombardment is used with precision and we dont see widepread destruction on the other side you have halo where the entire surface of the planet is set on flames or on the more extreme side of the spectrum , stellaris or 40k where the planet is reduced to a flaming inferno.


Based on the size of those craters we can easily assume it was the later.



Husk is filled with craters the size of countries the endless were obviosly trying their best to kill the cravers.


A crater of that size unless is extremely shallow  its going to pierce into the mantle , our planet crust is only 35 km deep, even the chicxulub crater which was caused by a far smaller explossion was 20 km deep.


Using a planetary impact calculator 


https://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/cgi-bin/crater.cgi?dist=50&diam=15000&pdens=8000&pdens_select=0&vel=900&theta=90&tdens=2500&tdens_select=0


a crater of similar size would be caused by a blast of 1.37 exatons thats like 1 million K- T impacts and there are several craters of similar size so its safe to assume that something more drastic than a mere nuclear winter happened on husk.



4. What happens on a planet after is hit by the corecraker its probably what happened on husk, we know that the endless had the technnology to terraform fragmented planets ( behemonths are endless ships arent they ?) and time should ve fixed the planet eventually along with gravity , the floating pieces would ve united by the effect of gravity after millions of years and the planet would ve cooled off.


Now i dont think that the cravers survived something on that scale but just how food or other items that are apparently sterilized can be contaminated maybe something similar happened in husk, a lone floating craver ship or pod floated around the planet until million of years after it crashed into a more havitable husk.

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