I love the new updates and new DLCs.

I love the changes made to the balance, especially changes made to Vodyani.

But, now Vodyani doesn't need to worry about manpower since all of arks are focused on essence for most of games and more essence created = more manpower created, 

which means one ark with mutiple 02G Delivery Gear (manpower module) can invade any systems very very easly and used manpower will be refilled super fast.

With Righteous Fury you can invade enemy during cold war and no one attacks fully equiped ark during cold war, it is now too easy to win a game.

Vodyani was strong race since it was easy to win sicence or wonder victory using arks with modules (science&industry), I think Vodyani is now little bit OP.

I mean riftborn still has problem with manpower and only generates +5DIS, when Vodynani can generate +8FIDS with just small purchase of resource.

Also, it is now much easier to grow pops on their own where riftborn needs to create their pops.

It depends on difficulty and setting, but it is not difficult to generate enough essence to create new arks in 3-4 turns now and purchase of one hero = +1max ark, so spamming ark is easy.

I love playing Vodyani but I think needs to be balanced little bit more.

I know I might be only one who feels this way, so let me know what you think. 

Dunno, on endless speed, my only pop still dies before I can build drone networks (I start with -6 food, takes me 8 turns minimum to build drone network on endless speed). So no ideea if the stuff from last patch is working or not as I can't play a race which only population dies before you can do anything about it, just from.... existing?

Yea balance needs to be looked at. Can't say anything about endless speed, I only play normal and fast speed. Since multiplayer is pretty much only played on fast but normal feels more balanced. You should probably not play on anything slower than normal. I can only imagine the game turns into end turn simulator since even normal speed tends to do that sometimes. 

Manpower is tied to Essence. Same issue, no essence no manpower.
Also i would like to see some essence income from battles increased. Only 1 essence for 1 cp is not much at all and late game when you get tons from systems it is uselss.

For MP game, don't let them grow or colonize too much systems. Constantly at war with them and cut off their exploration and they will be good as dead. But... If they're able to self sustain Essence without leeching, you should be worried.

IMHO Vodyani are one of the races that totally depend on their starting location.

nuyu wrote:

For MP game, don't let them grow or colonize too much systems. Constantly at war with them and cut off their exploration and they will be good as dead. But... If they're able to self sustain Essence without leeching, you should be worried.

IMHO Vodyani are one of the races that totally depend on their starting location.

They do not even so depended on how many planets at the start they have or possesion of deposits on starting planets, it is more of having minor factions near you.
I have played like 20+ games with essence modules giving essence per cp and early game it is not enough and late game not worth.

I kinda agree with your opinion, but not all wanna play vodyani in this way. If I just build arks by leeching fleet, occupy the 5-planet systems, and win the game in some ways suitable for vodyani like before, what did I got from that patch? More manpower, more food and those nerfed modules. This is what I concern about, those industrial and science modules cost a incredible price such as 5 Orichalcix per module. When I have 10+ arks in middle or late game, upgrade all those modules into the final form will cost serveral hundreds of Orichalcix, despite the modules' reduction on % values.

So vodyani got nerfed badly in late games, and thats what I prefered in vodyani before this patch.