Vodyani food consumption

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Mailanka

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Mailanka

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6 years ago

Jan 27, 2019, 12:50:27 PM

I'm not sure if this is a bug or just a "feature" that I didn't notice because I haven't been playing the Vodyani until now, but their food consumption seems really off. I'll start a game on hard, and if they're on a system with a single colonized planet, they'll begin by starving. In about 5 turns, I'll have 0 pop. Then it begins with a cycle of +1/-1 every other turn, which is obviously hell on beginning conditions. If I ever spend anything to increase the pop, this just makes it even worse, and the new pop will be dead in 5 or so turns. If I make a new ark, then the previously stable population of my old ark will begin starving again. I'm desperately focused on food in the beginning game, doing everything I can to research it, to get the food-based skills from my heroes, and nothing is enough, and obviously I fall behind everyone else because while they're out colonizing worlds and building ships, I'm trying desperately to stabilize my population.

Either the Vodyani were rebalanced really hard and I just have no idea how to play them now, or this is a bug.

Updated 6 years ago.

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DEVThe-Cat-o-Nine-Tales

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6 years ago

Jan 29, 2019, 11:24:13 AM

The Vodyani do intentionally suffer a food penalty of 50% (lower if not the entire population is Voyani), but if on slower speeds (game difficulty does not affect your food output) you begin the game in starvation, we may need to take another look at this.

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Jan 29, 2019, 2:50:33 PM

There is not much to see ;) someone obviously used percentage additevely instead of multicatively ;)

vod food consumption -50% , slower rate -60% : result -110% ;)

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Mailanka

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Jan 29, 2019, 6:46:48 PM

That must be it, I often play on very slow games. I don't mind them being slow to grow (that's why you need Essence after all!) I was just used to my population growing slowly rather than being in desperate need for food. Good to know it wasn't in my head.

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Jan 29, 2019, 7:08:38 PM

Karmah wrote:
There is not much to see ;) someone obviously used percentage additevely instead of multicatively ;)

vod food consumption -50% , slower rate -60% : result -110% ;)

I don't think it is that simple. If it was just that, then having a second planet would not fix the issue. But if you get lucky and have a second Food rich planet in your starting system, you do get a (small) amount of food, so it can not be a simple -110% Food.

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Feb 6, 2019, 4:55:54 AM

The-Cat-o-Nine-Tales wrote:
Karmah wrote:
There is not much to see ;) someone obviously used percentage additevely instead of multicatively ;)

vod food consumption -50% , slower rate -60% : result -110% ;)
I don't think it is that simple. If it was just that, then having a second planet would not fix the issue. But if you get lucky and have a second Food rich planet in your starting system, you do get a (small) amount of food, so it can not be a simple -110% Food.

If they stack multiplicativly then food production would be 20% of normal, that sounds about right.

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6 years ago

Feb 6, 2019, 9:27:31 AM

Hey guys,

We took a look at this and it does seems like the starting food of the vodyani faction was too low in higher speed/difficulty. It should be fixed in the upcoming update but if it keeps happening after that, do not hesitate to tell us.

Have a nice day :)

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4 years ago

May 6, 2021, 10:06:26 PM

Schell wrote:
Hey guys,
We took a look at this and it does seems like the starting food of the vodyani faction was too low in higher speed/difficulty. It should be fixed in the upcoming update but if it keeps happening after that, do not hesitate to tell us.

Have a nice day :)

Well I just test it and Vodyani are almost unplayable on slow and endless speed. If they doesn't start with at least 2 other good planets, food is so low, that it is impossible to get more population than 3. So you are basically stuck with 2 pop per ark, even when my priority was only food. When 3rd pop appears, it immediately falls down to 2. I tried to play till round approx. 50 and than I stopped playing it, as it was too frustrating to be stuck with 2 pops.
BTW. even AI has huge problem with this. Around round 150 or 200 they usually have only 2 or 3 Arks at max.