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About the rule of FIDS penalty when you colonize a word that you have not the tech ?

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6 years ago
Oct 19, 2019, 12:43:05 AM

Actually with ecologist law,

Player can colonise all teluric word, but has a -50% FIDS if he has not the tech to colonize this word.


That's ok for me...


But actually, i just began a new game with nakalim,

They start in desert,

They have not the tech to colonize desert.

But, if i watch FIDS they have, it seems they do not have the -50% FIDS.


So, what is exactly the rule about this in the game ?


Does they ignore the rule because it is their home word ?

Or because Sobra is an unique planet ?

Does this rule of -50% FIDS is not applied to unique planets ?



With this rule of -50% FIDS, I began my first games with Nakalim with the reseach of tech to colonize desert,

I suppose it is an error ?



Thanks for all explanations :)

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6 years ago
Oct 19, 2019, 5:53:07 AM

It's quite wired. To be exact, there is no penalty for having colonized planets without proper technologies, if ecologists are not in power. Penalty on colonization without tech exists on law effect of ecologists fixed law. So it's just working as coded.


+ I changed the penalty to be effective without ecologists in power with my mod. But I'm yet to give nakalim some bonuses (or exception) to negate that penalty.

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6 years ago
Oct 19, 2019, 4:18:21 PM

Thanks,


That means that with Nakalim, if ecologists take the senate; than i will have the penalty for Sobra until tech to colonize desert is not found ?


(and i was wrong about the -50%. I just watch, it is not -50% but -25% in description text)

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6 years ago
Oct 19, 2019, 5:01:20 PM

Yes if ecologists take power then you will suddenly get FIDS penalty for not having proper colonization tech on your home planet.


And you are not wrong. FIDS penalty is different for non-repbulic governments and republic government. Republic government's law enhancement also affects forced laws.

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6 years ago
Oct 24, 2019, 12:11:12 AM
PARAdoxiBLE wrote:

Yes if ecologists take power then you will suddenly get FIDS penalty for not having proper colonization tech on your home planet.

That's true.

I just tested this in a game with Nakalim and ecologist at senate.

Just when the tech has been found, FIDS at sobra suddenly up.


Anyway, ecologist at power seem not to be a bad choice at begining, if you have anomalies in your system.

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6 years ago
Oct 24, 2019, 6:51:59 AM

That ingenius decision to make Sobra desert without being able to colonize desert worlds, just so to punish player should he go with ecologists.

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6 years ago
Oct 24, 2019, 6:59:37 AM
Sublustris wrote:

That ingenius decision to make Sobra desert without being able to colonize desert worlds, just so to punish player should he go with ecologists.

Indeed. you should at least have the tech to exist on your own world. 

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6 years ago
Oct 24, 2019, 6:59:37 AM
Sublustris wrote:

That ingenius decision to make Sobra desert without being able to colonize desert worlds, just so to punish player should he go with ecologists.

Indeed. you should at least have the tech to exist on your own world. :)

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6 years ago
Oct 24, 2019, 12:58:21 PM

I was just thinking about this and I'm not sure that's really true. If their world was originally not a desert and was being propped up by the Lost it housed. They may not have the tech to actually colonize deserts on other planets in a way that enables their population to prosper.

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6 years ago
Oct 24, 2019, 1:35:50 PM

Well yes, but that doesn't explain why suddenly you have halved FIDSI just because ecologists are at rule. This should be a permanent debuff if you don't have a tech, regardless of politics. just like malus should not dissappear just because you transitioned from ecologists to something else.

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6 years ago
Oct 24, 2019, 3:38:40 PM

Perhaps this could be moved to the Game Design forum and the discussion shifted to creating an exception in instances where a world is already colonized before the Ecologists take over. 


Using the Nakalim for an example, since their homeworld is already colonized before the Ecologists take over, the 50% malus would not apply when the Ecologists take over. 

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