best solution for the pop problem is the craver way which is eating them ! like i said in a previous thread a tech 2 special building craver exclusive called " processing center" or "slaughterhouse" which allows you to kill noncraver pops for a burst in growth but only of craver factions in exchange it would also decrease your relationships with other factions.

1. Its easy to implement
2. It solves the problem
3. Makes sense lorewise
4. It has all of the goods none of the bads. 

atejas wrote:

solrac137 wrote:

Morcaster wrote:

solrac137 wrote:

best solution for the pop problem is the craver way which is eating them ! like i said in a previous thread a tech 2 special building craver exclusive called " processing center" or "slaughterhouse" which allows you to kill noncraver pops for a burst in growth but only of craver factions in exchange it would also decrease your relationships with other factions.

1. Its easy to implement
2. It solves the problem
3. Makes sense lorewise
4. It has all of the goods none of the bads. 

That solves half the issue. The other issue is approval, with so much disapproval you can't suspect any idea to work because even with all the approval pluses you get in the game the cravers will most likely have very very little of it and in turn fid production of any kind does not matter.

So if we can solve your issue and all of my issues ive stated then only then will it be fixed.

Imho craver approvation should be always fixed in 50 as a world devouring hivemind they shouldnt care about the opinion of their citizens so no increases in approval and no decreases ? like the harmony maybe ?

And a reduction of approval once you include minor factions ofc you get a bunch of extra FIDSI but some dissaproval ( not as much as now ) and you can reduce it back to normal levels by eating people so you get two choices 

1. Lots of production from slaves but internal problems slave uprisings stuff like that

2. Less production but no problems and lots of cravers well feed cravers!. 

The cravers aren't meant to be a unitary hivemind like the Tyranids. The art includes pictures of Cravers coexisting on planets alongside other races. Quest events refer to Cravers being 'grateful' when they are given combat roles and rebelling without a Bishop to keep them in line. All of this indicates that they have some limited sapience.

But then you have the official wiki mentioning that only 1/3 of the population is actually sentient or capable of individual thought and the craver leader saying the hive this and the hive that, maybe due pheromones cravers acts like drones while close to their queen/bishops but away from them they gain independence ? 

Morcaster wrote:

So I found a way to kill colony's without taking them over yourself and I think this is great! But the game no way at all hinted this and it will not pop up with a notice screen.

If you have a flotilla guard a enemy system for X turns the colony gets wiped off the galaxy map for good. It's now a neutral system.

The bigger the flotilla the faster the system gets wiped. Woo, I found a way to get some issues now!

You have to make sure though however that there are white lines moving in the circular bar around the system otherwise the bar does not go down. The white lines indicate how much the bar goes down per turn.

Also if you have the tech for more diplomacy options I think that will let you make demands of other races and if you keep doing that during a force truce/treaty then they will get angry and declare war on you.

assuming you max out flotilla, how long a wait? how many fleet you used on a system?

ok i looked into craver mechanics by using them.....

and i figure out how to succeed with them.

i'm not sure how consuming other races work when you take their planet works - perhaps someonw can enlighten me.  

i figure out how to get estatic on many system - took advantage of all 3 levels of system improvement, happy buildings, change gov to democracy from dictatorship,m etc.

solrac137 wrote:

best solution for the pop problem is the craver way which is eating them ! like i said in a previous thread a tech 2 special building craver exclusive called " processing center" or "slaughterhouse" which allows you to kill noncraver pops for a burst in growth but only of craver factions in exchange it would also decrease your relationships with other factions.

1. Its easy to implement
2. It solves the problem
3. Makes sense lorewise
4. It has all of the goods none of the bads. 

That solves half the issue. The other issue is approval, with so much disapproval you can't suspect any idea to work because even with all the approval pluses you get in the game the cravers will most likely have very very little of it and in turn fid production of any kind does not matter.

So if we can solve your issue and all of my issues ive stated then only then will it be fixed.

vahouth wrote:

OP your poll is biased. ;)

AS you can see I already put a apology up top my first post. Really no reason to comment about it :)

OP your poll is biased. ;)

I kinda feel the same way about the Vodyani, they're religious zealots who feed on the essence of the impure lesser races to further their glory and climb their way up to becoming mirror images of the Virtuals... And yet when I play them I'm getting punished and pushed around by the Lumari and the Sophons via massive influence circles and forced truces? The game in its current state isn't fun or meaningful for an aggressive or domineering faction i.e. Cravers or Vodyani. If they really want to have these extremes of faction personality they need to do some serious legwork to make diplomacy and war a lot more flexible.

solrac137 wrote:

best solution for the pop problem is the craver way which is eating them ! like i said in a previous thread a tech 2 special building craver exclusive called " processing center" or "slaughterhouse" which allows you to kill noncraver pops for a burst in growth but only of craver factions in exchange it would also decrease your relationships with other factions.

If we look on the Wiki, the Craver affinity was supposed to be "Parasite":  Use the Non-Cravers Factions as slaves to increase the production. They will slowly die but will produce more (+100% FIDSI).

Troublesome populations would have been devoured over time. Instead we have "Slave Drivers" which just slows their growth rate.

maurodelia wrote:

I just created a thread about some mecanic about that part of cravers: https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forum/65-general/thread/21391-craver-revolution

Thanks for the feedback and I've posted on your idea in your thread! :)

endlessfan12 wrote:

Morcaster wrote:

Just Playing cravers right now is bad. You have all these systems with zero pop but they count as a over colony modifyer. So you are stuck NO matter what in the mid-late game with like -200 to dust per turn, 60 turns to research a era 2 science, ETC.

that's not how the cravers play, They THRIVE on EXPANDING and EATING and KILLING but the game all but punishes you for ALL of that With disapproval that is the main cause of ZERO POP SYSTEMS. It is not the fact that you have Depleted planets! So don't you dare say that's the issue because I can get around that EASY.

If your going to punishing me for playing the way the cravers are meant to be played then suggestions and game design changes are in order OR you may not even have a craver race to begin with. Take them out.

sorry didn't mean to offend you. i was just asking when i asked whether you were new to es.  

well i don't have a lot of experience playing as craver. i have more experience as sophons.

i just infer craver as depleter cuz i invade their home system in one game.  i looked at their planet and was like 20 for food orginal value and it showed 3 when i hover over it and   status was depleted so go figure.....

dunno if depletion element is a carry over trait designer wanted to bring over from es1....  

Im sorry too. I didn't mean to get offended or seem like I was, I'm just really into this stuff.

But yeah the cravers depleted planets are not too much of a hinder. You must have played really close to the cravers in that match to take them over so easy, On harder settings and if they get 20 turns to themselves they're scary. 

I just created a thread about some mecanic about that part of cravers: https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forum/65-general/thread/21391-craver-revolution

Morcaster wrote:

Just Playing cravers right now is bad. You have all these systems with zero pop but they count as a over colony modifyer. So you are stuck NO matter what in the mid-late game with like -200 to dust per turn, 60 turns to research a era 2 science, ETC.

that's not how the cravers play, They THRIVE on EXPANDING and EATING and KILLING but the game all but punishes you for ALL of that With disapproval that is the main cause of ZERO POP SYSTEMS. It is not the fact that you have Depleted planets! So don't you dare say that's the issue because I can get around that EASY.

If your going to punishing me for playing the way the cravers are meant to be played then suggestions and game design changes are in order OR you may not even have a craver race to begin with. Take them out.

sorry didn't mean to offend you. i was just asking when i asked whether you were new to es.  

well i don't have a lot of experience playing as craver. i have more experience as sophons.

i just infer craver as depleter cuz i invade their home system in one game.  i looked at their planet and was like 20 for food orginal value and it showed 3 when i hover over it and   status was depleted so go figure.....

dunno if depletion element is a carry over trait designer wanted to bring over from es1....  

I suggested this in another thread but it would be neat if, instead of being able to raze systems, the Cravers 'gorged' on it instead, depleting it in a short number of turns and destroying the colony while creating significant empire-wide FIDS bonuses.

oh are you new to endless space?

es1 was like this too.

i think the designer wanted craver to be depleter and that why the you get fids bonus as trait but depletion is drawback.  think you are suppose to deplete a planet and move on to other system as craver.

but game mechanics wise , i think they are just gonna ruin all planets in the end unless they get the acension victory and become Endless like themselves(think that is a vcitory option in es1). lol.

And yeah, why the political opinion of captured systems can make the rest of my empire unhappy is some craziness for Cravers. They should be happy for these new feeding grounds, not miserable like a bunch of bleeding hearts marching around shouting "save the fluffy aliens".