First off, I have to ask - when AI builds a ship, it has full manpower to go invade, 100/100

When I build a ship, it has 0 and I have to rest it for 10 turns in my systems to regain to full.

Next, I understand the "sieging" of system.

Then, why when the system's manpower is sieged to 0 (that is zero, null, ноль, zilch, zip, whatever) - I initiate the ground combat and it still has 30-72 defenders and I lose the invasion in "grave defeat"?

Where they come from when the system's manpower is ZERO?

On top of that, since AI spams ships in sieged system like no tomorrow, every ship he makes comes out with FULL manpower (that is, in a 0 manpower system under "siege"), and immeditealy adds this manpower to defenses against a ground invasion.

TL;DR It is literally impossible to invade anything, because AI spams ship to add up to manpower, and your fleet will run out of manpower no matter how much you bring.

1 defeat at ground battle means you have 0 manpower in entire fleet, no matter how much you had.

I barely understood how manpower worked 1 patch ago, now you guys completely lost me.

Like, how much manpower translated into troopers on the ground. 

Any logic behind that, if there was any at conception.

Please fix this crap before it goes on release. 

Just have a good coffee break and figure out how the f**k manpower is generated, how ships get it (you would expect when you build a ship, to have it staffed, right?), and how this is going forward.

Thanks.

If it is the case that ships are accessing empire manpower when built in a blockaded system, I think this should be stopped.  

In other (unblocked) systems, accessing manpower at creation makes sense to me, empire has time to divert manpower resources to each system, while ship is in the production queue, so if there's manpower to be had, it should have a full crew.

When your ship forms up without manpower, it means your empire manpower was not high enough to staff the crew, and will gradually be filled as empire manpower grows.  Enlisting new troops helps this (usually at considerable cost to systems' pop -- I usually lose  a bunch of pop, from the resultant food drain.)

I too am thoroughly confused by ground battle manpower calculations, specifically how it determines the portion of available manpower to take part in invasion.  I  totally buy that one may not rely on every bit of manpower to invade (someone must run the ship after all.)

My problem is that for some reason I am getting a great manpower deficit in Empire. I am playing UE and i gain +222 and I have - 4299 per turn. I do not understand how fleets are draining manpower so much if they are not even present in systems or in need. From the start of the game I had 0 Empire Manpower. I do not know if it is a bug or something I did not understand correctly.

Diamondius wrote:

My problem is that for some reason I am getting a great manpower deficit in Empire. I am playing UE and i gain +222 and I have - 4299 per turn. I do not understand how fleets are draining manpower so much if they are not even present in systems or in need. From the start of the game I had 0 Empire Manpower. I do not know if it is a bug or something I did not understand correctly.

Same here, playing UE is a bit confusing because sometimes your ship has 0 manpower and sometimes it's just a bit (Haven't seen a ship in my fleet with full manpower).

Maybe UE has slackers and they prefer to stay on a planet rather than firing huge laser cannons in space :P

I managed to fill my ships using the Luxury Rations thing that kills a pop and gives you a huge boost in manpower. That filled the planet and the orbiting ships immediately. Other than that my ships were actually slowly getting manpower. But at empire level I have that aforementioned huge deficit so I can not train armor or improve my ground troops. I do not know if this is a UE bug or a general one since UE is supposed to have greater manpower generation than other races. 

Just a short side question: How is the amount of manpower generated per turn calculated anyway? Is it x manpower/turn for each pop + bonuses?

mixerria wrote:

Just a short side question: How is the amount of manpower generated per turn calculated anyway? Is it x manpower/turn for each pop + bonuses?

I think is tied to Food, since ecologist have a law to reduce food consumption on manpower, but is kind of an obscure mechanic