Yes, but they are two different things: Ideas and "self-propagation". I was talking about the first one.

koxsos wrote:

You mean the system in which the ultimate skill is basically unreachable cause it demands specific tree and thus any single random generated set of options threatens it?

Even the sequels laid off it since VI, cause it was just "yeah my RNG dropped me crap skills, gg"

And the system gets tedious for multiple levels at a time.

The skills would not be so broken as to spoil the game if you do not get the ones you want. That's what balance is for. Also, I'm talking about creating a new batch of skills.

Reading is not an issue, especially if you are somewhat experienced, you  already know what's up, you have the same hero everytime, you know what  you want to build.

Sure, if I know the skill tree, using it is not a problem... because I do not have to read it. That does not mean that the problem does not exist. The tree is tedious to read, visually unpleasant, and mentally draining.

Having a multitude of options to choose from is a handicap. When you know by heart the tree does not look like it, but it is.
When you are in late game. Having to manage the heroes is a tiring task, due to the design of the tree, which should be simpler and more elegant.

I am a strong supporter that the tree of skills of the heroes is WRONG.

It is unpleasant to manage the current tree. There is so much to read, so much to choose from and it can be incredibly tedious in late game.

I think the game should mimic the level system of heroes of might and magic 3. In this system (which is fantastic, I insist) there are a number of predefined skills. Each hero, when level up, can choose between two new semi-random abilities, which appear depending on the type and race of the hero. A hero can not have more than 6 different abilities, but you can upgrade your current skills if they reappear when leveling up.

This system is fast, simple and elegant.

Wisdom of the dust 1º: +20 at science in the system. X3 to loot in the fleet.

Wisdom of the dust 2º: +30 at science in the system. X4 to loot in the fleet.

Wisdom of the dust 3º: +40 at science in the system. X5 to loot in the fleet.

Dust Warrior 1º: Unlock a new random battle card it requires dust and can only be used by this hero.
Dust Warrior 2º: Unlock two new random battle cards it requires dust and can only be used by this hero.
Dust Warrior 3º: Unlock three new random battle cards it requires dust and can only be used by this hero.

(Now imagine that you can also use battle cards in land combat. It  would mean that this skill is useful for systems management as well)

Dust Pirate 1º: Siege a system give 10 at dust each turn. Being sieged give 20 each turn.

Dust Pirate 2º: Siege a system give 20 at dust each turn. Being sieged give 40 each turn.

Dust Pirate 3º: Siege a system give 30 at dust each turn. Being sieged give 60 each turn.

Honor 1º: Each battle in the hero's fleet give 10 to influence. Each turn being sieged give 20 to influence.

Honor 2º: Each battle in the hero's fleet give 20 to influence. Each turn being sieged give 40 to influence.

Honor 3º: Each battle in the hero's fleet give 30 to influence. Each turn being sieged give 60 to influence.

ES1:

wasn't the +1 to all kinda a filler skill?

and the + 2 skills skill, was that a meaningful choice by any chance? :-D

And even ES1 had the issues with pilot class respectably being OP especially with sheredyn affinity, until that endgame skill that just kept all ships alive.

I think the issue was even there, just that those skills really did seem better, but still there was, although less brutal, difference between a pilot and governor, which by all means, there should be, but then pilot does not get +80% industry.

Hero skillsets in general feels lackluster.

I am forced to take fleet-related skills on my Senator governor hero, just to get to the next outer ring.

It feels lame.

At the very least in ES1 I could have leveled a proper Governor or Pilot hero without being forced to pick filler skills.

It felt right...

And to be honest - just looking at sheer amount of posts in this forum and issues raised makes me understand just how bland and unpolished this long-awaited sequel is, and I feel like installing ES1... again.

If we skip great visuals and music, there is nothing left but a whole bucketload of glaring design issues and shortcuts.

Yeah, I completely agree and let's not even go to the fact that their skills are not even affiliated with a political party.  Or that you cannot even see what the hero is attached to in the detailed skills screen, which would really help when picking skills.

I would really like to see HEROES skills generated based on three criteria: Their affinity (race), class, and political affiliation.

In other words, when a hero is recruited it should have its skills generated randomly based on the three criteria. Each game a Hero should have some different skills.

I want more random variety among them, and I want each game to feel different. If a hero had a different set of skills each game, that would be way more interesting.

I realise that this is a new system to ask for, and may have to wait until a dlc.

I would also like assignment information added to the skills screen and the individual hero screen.

Optional: To reduce the OP skills of the heroes

Skill should be capped at 35%  benefit.  Most skills at fine when additive.

I just generated the idea here, please vote