Hello, nice ! 

I think it's a good form to have a global vision of the battle possibilities. In addition, it would be great to have for each tactic any about the most optimal weapons. I guess actually you can put beams everywhere, but other weapons might be more powerfull in some situations. So we could see what weapons are usefull in too much situations, or conversly what weapons are useless. If you can share it coming from you experience in MP, it would be great if you have time, at least fot the high tiers tactics. It's hard to get some precise observations results about tactics and weapons, because most of the wars ends are designed by economy and are rarely tight.

Some comments :

Turtle 

Good close range card that increases your srrvivability very significantly against kinetic weapons.

Yes. Also, I am really afraid to use missiles because this tactics seems to be their absolute counter and is free since the start of the game. The tactic counter their range AND their damages. You can put every weapons exept missiles, use this tactic, and win against missiles. Btw it would be intersting to add to your list what tactics counter too much and nullify, if they do. AIs tends to prefer Get lucky tactics instead of Turtle agaisnt missiles.

Shield wall/hard target

What does +25% defense even mean? evasion? increased hull/shield absorption? Those tactics have formation settings that don't allow for actually utilizing the bonuses and are just plain worse than using turtle for short range and barrage for long range.

Hem. Proably the least clear description in the entire game D: . I am always afraid to use it because i simply dont understand it. The defense is applied when a flotilla at long/short range, or agaisnt long/short range ? Do the tactic impact cross flotilla fights ? What is the meaning of life D: ? 

All the resource farming cards per lost/destroyed CP and XP cards

The ships you lose in the battles are worth 30+ times more than the resources you gain. Using actual tactics that minimize your losses and kill enemies quickly will save you way more resources. With the rescaled XP level requirements the XP gain bonus is negligible. Why is there so many of those when there is a severe lack of actual battle cards?

I also agree with that. I add that sometime, only one ship with FIDS modules give way more than the entire tactic ! Those cards might have something more, like, your ships are squishier when you it, but you get a ton of FIDS. It would be fully sacrificial tactics, used in desesperate situations.

Did anybody had good results in using any cards outside Tier I and II?

Probably not optimal in MP games but... I like to the uses the cards with 3 differents lanes position. So I can create a lot of diversity in my fleets. I feel it make it very resilient and harder to counter. There is not a lot of this kind of tactics in t1 and t2 cards. So, i unlock it later and use it.

I like Needs of the many t5 tactic cards. I dont know if it's very strong with the news weapons, but it's a good way to crush invading fleets when your empire has a good manpower production. It's also fun because it's 3 close range lanes. 

Full reserve is, from my point of view, the most insane tactic in the late game. Combined With a fleet with a high mobility, i let you defend your empire at several points at the time. You crush a fleet > you get away, crush another fleet > you get away, crush another fleet, etc. . Because of this tactic, it's impossible to stop a too advanced empire, even if you attack him with a lot of fleets, and with allies or not. It's the secure-the-win tactic, and totally erase the advantage of the number.

It's kind of weird though. ES 1 had some awesome cards! Some only gained via heroes. With some cool visual effects too.

jhell wrote:

Hi,

Just a quick message to tell you that we're aware of this, and we'd like to do a pass on them in the future (maybe through a balance mod). We'll let you know when we know more!

Best,

Thank jhell; the communication is very welcome.

Quality > quantity I just hope you remove most of them and make each card impactful enough to think about.

Resource gaining cards must be buffed tree times. 

A bigger rework would be just removing little numeric buffs or nerfs and giving fleet new abilities. Shoots a charged bolt every 7 seconds or guarantee dodges the first salvo. Something like that.

Hi,

Just a quick message to tell you that we're aware of this, and we'd like to do a pass on them in the future (maybe through a balance mod). We'll let you know when we know more!

Best,

This is one of the remaining balance issues with the game, I agree, too.  I'm hoping their plan is to get to a place where they are happy with the weapon rebalances and then they will tackle cards.  It would be futile to work on cards while greatly changing the weapons though.

Any plans to update the cards?

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FreedomFighterEx wrote:

I wish flotilla position is separate entity from flotilla bonus. Sometime you want a certain bonus but it put your fleet into an awkward position in battle.

That's the whole point! Arguably we need more tactics like this, rather than all flotillas with optimal positions.

I wish flotilla position is separate entity from flotilla bonus. Sometime you want a certain bonus but it put your fleet into an awkward position in battle.

True. AI dont use blockade to counter huge mobility fleets. So in MP you just cant do what i did. Hm. In this case the tactic is weaker than i tought, yes.

In retrospect, perhaps it was a mistake to tie flotilla positions to tactics cards.  Like several features of this game, I'm curious to see how much smoother things would work if some choices were split.

Looking forward to seeing a rework of this. I generally select my cards baed off the flotaila ranges so that they counter the ranges of the enemy, rather than looking at the bonuses. I also find the +FIDS per destroyed CP and extra XP per destroyed CP useful when destruction of the enemey is assured.

Extra FIDS per CP destroyed are totally just freebie cards for when you are mopping up or you find an unlucky scout.

I may be wrong, but it seems to me that flotillas behave differently based on the tactics cards in play, i.e. sometimes a flotilla will charge ahead and other times it will strafe. This is easy to replicate upon changing cards and watching the fight play out. I would be interested in seeing a chart or guide about how the various cards make the flotillas move in battle. As well as the movements of 3 flotillas vs 1 flotilla and so forth. I know there are mods out there that completely undermine this and just make your flotillas charge at each other 100% of the time.

Thanks to the devs for making a note about this. ;D

Would be fun if there was a sandbox mode where you could just try out combinations of fleets and tactics against other combinations of fleets and tactics.

I was hoping those would get updated in the expansion. Any word on this?