Same here

Agreed. Many of the buildings in this game are not balanced properly against each other, and the buildings you've mentioned are one of the more egregious examples of this.

Completely agree. Xeno-Industrial Infrastructure is ridiculous. The riftborn also start on a sterile planet btw

HappyDust wrote:

sry guys, cant agree here, everyone has it, everyone will build its, whats the probleb? nerf xeno-industrial will slow down game a lot, and weak production races will be even weaker.
Better buff Predictive Logistics realy /_T

Thing is, since it's an early game building, the system you start on is very important. If you start on a temperate and fertile world, you get +30 (!) production from it per planet, as opposed to, say, the riftborn's +10 due to their preference for sterile and extreme worlds.

They're missing out on a ton of extra production, which is really important. 

Also it doesn't make sense for an early tier structure to be stronger than a t3 but yknow

ArkanoTGS wrote:

HappyDust wrote:

sry guys, cant agree here, everyone has it, everyone will build its, whats the probleb? nerf xeno-industrial will slow down game a lot, and weak production races will be even weaker.
Better buff Predictive Logistics realy /_T

Thing is, since it's an early game building, the system you start on is very important. If you start on a temperate and fertile world, you get +30 (!) production from it per planet, as opposed to, say, the riftborn's +10 due to their preference for sterile and extreme worlds.

They're missing out on a ton of extra production, which is really important. 

Also it doesn't make sense for an early tier structure to be stronger than a t3 but yknow

i agree with 30 its too much, but if u think rifts dont have enough production from start.... i dont know, chek rift main hero skills before...
xenoindustry must give more prodction for weak races and just a little less for others, and ofc up PL atleast 25 for planet/ or  make production cost less.

It's not just about the predetermined starting planets. Two games ago, this was my starting system with Horatio:

Now if it weren't for X.I.I./P.P.P., starting with terran and forest in your home system would just be...good, I guess. You could colonize your second planet a bit more cheaply, and had some more food and happiness after beginning to fill it up. But with these two buildings, I could very early on have about double to triple the production and science I could have achieved if those were snow and barren.

It's not just about slowing down some races, it's about reducing the randomness of starts.

No no don't nerf it. You see, I think the idea with XII & PPP is that they're supposed to be like your core buildings. The very basic things you'd want everywhere in any case.

Think about real world for example. You have a small village in a middle of nowhere. Logistics to next village is non-existent. You have to go through woods and stuff. Horrible. Now, you build a basic road. Logistics capacity increases 10x. A simple thing but huge bonus. Now, if you add some stones to the road to make it more durable you might get only maybe 2x boost. See? The most basic upgrade gives a large benefit.

Same with PPP. If you have no libraries, school system etc, research is almost 0. Get a few basic things up and people get enormous benefits. From basic school -> high tech university, the bonus is again minor when comparing to the first leap.

But I can agree that early game might need some balancing. If every race would start with a fixed star system and not only fixed home planet, it would go a long way. Even if XII & PPP are working as intended, RNG can give you massive bonuses early on if you roll a good home system. Uncool. Fix plz.

Yes, I'm more concerned with the extreme early-game variance than the tier 1 buildings being a bit powerful. There's not a lot of choice in Tier 1 buidlings *anyway* - the idea is clearly you research and build most if not all of them.