This one feature has become the reason I will be leaving this DLC off. Its as bad as guardians... They are way too strong, especially being able to destroy entire systems from a mile away. Countering it requires WAY too much, especially on endless. There needs to be an improvemt or something to counter that crap. Please give an option to turn off only behemoths, they are the worst idea you ever had...

Almost everyone else seems to think otherwise, and there is a way to counter obliterators not only citadels but there is a system shield improvement.

It’s very much possible to get shields before an obliterator can fire, as they cost much to fire without waiting out the cooldown. 

The AI has gotten better with the update, perhaps try a more forgiving difficulty as it’s unsurprising for Endless to give you trouble.

I played on Endless only and never experienced getting obliterated before I could get a shield on my main and second best systems. 

And losing a system of lower value is fine with me and adds some spice to the game. It is some actual challenge that I felt was very lacking in vs AI games.

Sometimes you get lucky and they vaporize a garbage system where you were housing your minor factions--and you're playing Horatio and you just wanted them gone because you've spliced them already!  MWUHUHAHAHAHAA!!!  I WANTED you to blow up that system you fool!  You've done my dirty work for me!!  *furiously twirls mustache*

I think they're an amazing and well balanced. I'm still newer to the game yet I like how certain behemoth designs like the obliterator don't allow for heavy weapon/defense stacking, so a stacked 23 point command fleet with 62k dmg and 10k defense can blow them out of space in a single engagement of me vs the behemoth. Also quick question, why can't you fleet up with your behemoth? Is that a balancing idealism to make them go it along against fleets and allow them to be destroyed?

Solely Behemoth unit carries the Supremecy DLC! It covers the civilian/worker unit part for ES2 which was lacking horribly before. Amplitude believes in replacing worker unit with scout is enough for their games; players questing and exploring. It was enough for EL but after lots of DLC (Inferno included) because players have to constantly explore at every turn for pearls, ruins, quests and now with the eclipse it has become a full-time job to scout. But in ES2 you scouting takes much less time because there is no terrain you don't get occupied a lot with movement, unlike EL. 

The second point is ES2 offers very limited options when it comes to seeing the growth of your city or empire visually. Behemoths are like this unique worker unit which you can use at different points in the galaxy and harvest resources. Increasing special nodes importance too. Before this, you never even bother to look for nodes. Now, not only their importance increased, their battle effect is important too. Creating different strategies; why would you send lots of energy shielded fleets in a node where you can't use any of it? Because it is a strong tool, you are thinking about different strategies with it and it has to be strong to be viable throughout the game.

Yes, they cause bugs and exploits because they are new. Their effect on Victory conditions are huge but the victory conditions it selfs are very uninspired. AI isn't capable of using Behemoth to fullest, yes. I personally only play with conquest. Victory conditions need to be dynamic like conquesting but that's for another discussion. From the idea point of view, it is quite brilliant. 

Bought the DLC. Regret it. I loathe the current incarnation of the Behemoths.

And the fact I'm better off just mining, not colonizing and building systems (especially since Terraforming absolutely destroyed) just ruined the game for me as a builder. Maybe if Behemoths were in a whole new layer of tech, after everything else as a truly end game only option...

 I'm hoping to find a Mod that returns the game back to the tech tree with the Endless options, and full terraforming.

K.

KosTheory wrote:

Bought the DLC. Regret it. I loathe the current incarnation of the Behemoths.

And the fact I'm better off just mining, not colonizing and building systems (especially since Terraforming absolutely destroyed) just ruined the game for me as a builder. Maybe if Behemoths were in a whole new layer of tech, after everything else as a truly end game only option...

 I'm hoping to find a Mod that returns the game back to the tech tree with the Endless options, and full terraforming.

K.

Being told in another post that Terraforming SHOULD still be active. Going to completely uninstall my game and re-install, as I may have a bugged game. So on the Terraforming side of things, I may just be expressing frustration on a bugged issue.

Behemoths I still feel are far too early. Too massively overpowered.