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Vodyani - Gargantuan population food debuff

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7 years ago
Jul 15, 2017, 11:02:41 AM

Hi,


Ever since last few patches, I have been having trouble with my vodyani planets starving - especially at the beginning of the game. I understand that there was bug involved, something about vodyani population growth permanently increasing food consumption , but I think it was fixed already.


It bothers me that I can't really use holy proliferation on the tchinomy system, since it usually leads to new pop starving next turn. I played around with high happiness and managed to avoid it, or moving starting ark to more favourable system if there is one nearby.


During these tests, I notice that there is massive food production debuff in place and I found no explanation what causes it.


It is called "gargantuan population" and you can see its effect below:




As you can see from high turn counters, I like play slow and endless matches. Maybe it is related, but what do I know.

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7 years ago
Jul 15, 2017, 12:14:09 PM

"gargantuan population" is a population trait (the Vodyani have it) you can see it in the custom faction creation screen.

If I recall correctly it gives +5 Industry, Science and dust per pop Plus a -50% Food Production Debuff (This might have changed recently so do double check it)

The Vodyani are supposed to have a very small amount of food production,

The gargantuan population debuff is how that is achieved.

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7 years ago
Jul 15, 2017, 2:18:13 PM

Oh, so its internal/hidden trait. I haven't touched custom builds yet.


Thanks, makes sense now. But it would be better if there was explicitly said -XX faction trait instead.

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7 years ago
Jul 15, 2017, 4:56:54 PM

Mouse over one of your Vodyani population on a planet and it should be listed.

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7 years ago
Jul 21, 2017, 8:21:16 AM

So @Cyrob how about Ark consumption? I get that they are supposed to have low food but when you're starving every game you load into thanks to the double dick punch you get from both of those, the Vodyani who are arleady pretty weak are almost unplayable because you simply cannot grow even if you have many high food ammount planets.

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7 years ago
Jul 21, 2017, 10:48:35 AM

So the Vodyani get -50% System food production from their population trait

then also have Ark Consumption which is calculated by (SystemGrowthStock^1.25)/600


Even with that I don't often get starving population, Maybe I'm lucky with galaxy generation ?


The Vodyani do need to have a small food production as one population grown = an extra 1 - 5 population working.


Maybe the Debuffs could have some scaling with number of planets colonized in the system ?


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