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5 years ago
Mar 10, 2020, 8:25:44 PM

As a person who prefers the peacefull victory types (SP only), I'm having a hard time to make these guys work. Is the only viable option full blow war with science from scrap as your main tool? I don't like warring in a 4x game, because a) I'm a nice guy, and b) seeing the dumb decisions the AI often makes, it feels cheap (and offcours a lot of troop/fleet movement is tedious).


I try to exploit the advanced start (especially the marketplace and system upgrades), I assigned most of my relics to government and governors, because science wise they produce barely anything. Is there anything else I should be doing? Aside from exploring/probing as much as possible for the level 5 hero quest step. But then the science starts to stagnate, and the AI starts to to get even and slowly runaway (the higher the difficulty, the faster they were)


It feels like the donating systems to the academy perk is weak, as it only kicks in late game, when you have sufficient influence output, and the pay isnt great either (only 2 relics). Or am I wrong? I'm also not sure how to easy conquer systems to donate? I tried conquering a central enemy system (with the religious law), but before it had sufficient output, it was on its way to be pressured back (erasing my diplomatic pressure as well). I try to place a temple on every system (usually the worst planet


What are the general tips/strategies when playing nakalim then?

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5 years ago
Mar 11, 2020, 7:15:13 AM

If you want to play as peaceful Nakalim it is best to go full on exploring and expanding. Asigning relics to governors early on is not the best, you are ridding yourself 50 science and since they make barely any (no science from planets, overall system science is halved, thus a system development that is supposed to give +60 science gives only +30) it is in your best interest to leave them unassigned until you have a good stock of them. Best ways to get relics is faction questline, finding them while exploring and converting other's systems with your influence. 


As for temples on systems, it is best to fill a system with them. Five temples on one can push other empire's sphere of influence easily. (NOTE: it is better to hold off putting temples on your homesystem for a while until you have built up an economy there.) Temples only halve your planet fidsi output, which you already dont get any science from, food isnt a big deal, and you can easily stock up on dust with the religious law for +10 dust(+5 on temple planet) per nakalim pop. You also get more approval from temple planets and I am not even talking about the massive amount of influence you get.


Temples also enable you to make advanced demands to the AI you are pressuring for Economic Tribute that sometimes can basically double your science output.

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5 years ago
Mar 11, 2020, 8:56:30 AM

Temple everything! Build cathedral on highest pop potential system in center of galaxy, make influence bubble over the entire map because per temple scaling.

Actually win scientific victory because per temple scaling. =D (stacking temples beats donating systems, except for when there are very few planets, depends ofc)

I would also recommend against assigning relics early on, unless there is like a game deciding fight.
You can opt to rush behemoths, in SP you can easily disable behemoth quest to have them available on start, buy them out fairly early and outsource science from nodes.

Once you establish the cathedral supersystem just stack behemoths there, assign crystals to empire and the governor and you should be set.

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Mar 11, 2020, 6:02:37 PM

So at which state do you start to convert/push other systems (aroundd which turn in a normal speed game)? i'll go for a more peacefull-economic approach neext time, and build more Lost temples. And maybe push more towards the pacifists



Is there any other strategy into cnverting/donating systems to the Academy? As said, it feels like a very late game thing. Invasions/conquest didnt seem to cut it



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Mar 11, 2020, 9:23:25 PM
eXistenZ wrote:

So at which state do you start to convert/push other systems (aroundd which turn in a normal speed game)? i'll go for a more peacefull-economic approach neext time, and build more Lost temples. And maybe push more towards the pacifists



Is there any other strategy into cnverting/donating systems to the Academy? As said, it feels like a very late game thing. Invasions/conquest didnt seem to cut it



I'd start pushing other systems when you get there. It depends how far they are from you. Best way to push them is find a good 5 planet system somewhere in the middle of their empire (that isnt covered by another system's influence as they can just take it back through pacific conversion), and fill it with temples. Then wait, temple systems outperform others in terms of border growth. Slowly but surely the system's borders will take over their systems and you will be able to convert them to academy. Another way is getting to the middle of the galaxy, finding a good 5 planet system and building every influence building there, as well as nakalim counselor hero and building cathedral. Cathedral gives the system +3% fidsi bonus per temple built, which means the system itself will give itself +15%, and when you factor in all other systems that can have temples on them, it suddenly becomes ~9-12% on average per system you own, giving it an amazing boost of influence (I had one with around 14k influence production a turn) that gives a good push to your already amazing border growth. With that blob, play the waiting game until you convert other systems over to either yourself, giving you another boost of fidsi to the cathedral system, or give it to academy for 55% of the system's yields.


Invasions and military actions in general do not allow you to convert systems to academy I dont think.

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5 years ago
Mar 13, 2020, 1:45:38 AM



To expect a 4x game about exploration, expanding to be only peaceful is a misinformed new fan.

And other Factions are more capable.



You do know, that you kinda behave with the faction that you like?


I for myself would love to love the Cravers. But it's not my style. I suck at being the Cravers. Which is a strength of the game.



So in my opinion you are asking if your playstyle could suit the Nakalim.


Well, maybe it doesn't. 



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