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Why Does ITER Have A -10% Science On Empire???

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8 years ago
Mar 29, 2017, 8:20:28 AM

I don't really understand this. Isn't that a bad thing? Or maybe does it mean technologies cost 10% less points? It's certainly not clear.

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8 years ago
Mar 30, 2017, 7:22:26 PM

I really wish everything that was a bonus was a certain color (white since everything is) and if it was a penalty it would be red or something then even if the -/+ wasn't clear you could just tell by the color.

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8 years ago
Apr 17, 2017, 3:00:48 PM

The wonder has a local system bonus to  but a global empire penalty to


The way it works is:

  • The system you build ITER in gets a 10% per system level bonus to
  • You get an empire-wide 10% penalty to

The idea is that the planet you build it on produces enough  for the 10/20/30/40% bonus to make up for the empire-wide penalty.


I don't know in which order these modifiers are applied in ES2 but working out the profitability thresholds is fairly simple maths.



Warning: assumptions about game mechanics begin here.



I will assume here that bonus applies at system level and the penalty applies to the sum-total of all  output. So:


[ (ITER system  + bonus%) + all other system  ] - 10%


Here's a table that shows approximately how much  a system has to output (as a % of your total ) so you get an overall benefit from ITER, per system level:


ITER System level
1
2
3
4
Min.  output from ITER
system as % of total

56%
37%
27%


Under this assumption building ITER on a level 1 system will always result in a net loss of

A level 2 system has to account for at least 55% of your total  to result in a net increase, etc.


For example, you have 2 systems:

  • System A is level 2 and produces 6
  • System B is produces 4  (system level irrelevant)

Your total  output is:

6+4 = 10 


If you build ITER on System A the new total will be:

[ (6 * 1.2) + 4 ] * 0.9 = 10.08


Instead, if System A produces 5.5  and System B 4.5  the overall total is still 10, but ITER is a waste of resources:

[ ( 5.5 * 1.2 ) + 4.5 ] * 0.9 = 9.99


Hope this makes sense.



If anyone knows exactly how production these bonuses are applied I'd be keen to know.

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7 years ago
May 30, 2017, 4:58:26 PM

Uhm... I think you got it all wrong. The tooltip is confusing.


That empire-wide effect is positive, as it cuts the empire cost of the technologies. Affects all future technologies researched as a passive bonus.

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7 years ago
Jun 3, 2017, 2:35:42 PM

NInakoru is right. Its +10% sience for the system and -10% on the siencepoints needed for research. 


BTW: this kind of reduction of prices is not just summing up the percentages but multipling them. 

EG: omnisience max bonus is a reduction by 50% and when you finish the sophons questline you get another reduction of 50% for one wing of the researchtree. But theese techs aren't for free now ;)

Its 0.5*0.5=0.25 as the remaining price of techs. So it is a reduction of 75%.

I guess buyout- and industrial pricereduction for ships are working the same way.

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