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8 years ago
May 3, 2017, 12:35:17 PM

Hello everyone, I have a theory about the endless universe and chronology. I'm french and I will try to be clear ^^


So. Endless Space 2 takes place before Endless Space 1.

Why? Well, in Endless Space 1, the United Empire (UE from now on) is a strong empire, well establish. And the Sheredyn within have so much power that they are almost an independant Empire (it's a grey area in UE legislation ^^)

In Endless Space 2, we play the UE under Maximilien Zelevas, the first emperor, the guy who created it! So it's very early in UE history. And the Sheredyn are nothing but bodyguards.


That can explain why Amoebas, Pilgrims and Hisshos are minor factions. They advanced and become major in ES1.


What about Lumeris and Vodyani? Dead, the Cravers ate them.


The Sophons are like the Eldars in Wh40k, an old race (not as old as the cravers, who were created by the endless). They guide minor races to help them defend the galaxy (Pilgrim, Hissho).


The Riftborn? Don't know... Maybe dead, maybe back in their dimension. Possible links Riftborn/Automatons/Sowers?


And Horatio? Well... he's... here. Doing stuff. Splicing people. He managed to survive and the Horatio Empire became almost as powerfull as the Sophons.



Here it is. I hope this was not painful to read, if so, sorry for my english ^^ .


EDIT: The Sophons are one of the younger races, sooo... forget what I said about them ^^

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8 years ago
May 4, 2017, 1:23:09 PM

So close, yet so far.

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8 years ago
May 5, 2017, 3:56:36 PM

Multi-dimensional parallelism! Or time travel...


OR! The Endless are still alive and are continuing their war with each other through the child races (the main factions we play as, that is)!


I am willing to buy into the idea that ES2 comes before ES1, if only because of the UE-Sheredyn connection as stated above. And I like the idea of the Riftborn turning into the Sowers or Automatons (or both, having a split in their ideologies). Riftborn seems to fit that because the story missions can break down into Ecologist, Industrialist, and Pacifist. Sowers cultivate worlds for their own purposes so I'd say they're Ecologists (that's through abstract lore attribution, since "ecologists" don't exist in ES1). Automatons are Pacifists and Industrialists, so that's an easy connection to make. Both races are predominantly machine, which seems to be the external appearance of the Riftborn in the material universe.

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8 years ago
May 7, 2017, 7:35:09 AM
Deglingus wrote:

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I like the part where the Cravers ate the Vodyani.

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8 years ago
May 9, 2017, 11:20:36 AM

I think the Vodyani are part of a Virtual Endless plan to "revive" themselves in case they're defeated by the Concrete. The Sowers are also a part of this plan, they just don't activate again until Vodyani events are influenced by the surviving Virtuals who become their Saints.


The Vodyani would go on to create a lot of enemies, and not just because of their affinity for abducting people. As other races learn more about the Endless, they'd want to ensure they wouldn't repeat those mistakes. The Vodyani are physical platforms for what is essentially a digitized race, and as more and more Virtuals are awakened as Saints, the rest of the races would become very strongly opposed to them. But yes, they'll probably be wiped out by the Cravers, mostly because of the Virtuals betraying them so long ago. Either that, or the Riftborn would piece together the Virtuals' plan to "revive" themselves and begin raining havoc on the Vodyani to stop them. Assuming the latter is the case (and they successfully eradicate the Vodyani), the Riftborn then decide to return to their own universe.


The Lumeris are absorbed by the United Empire as the latter begins expanding into controlling a large slice of production in the galaxy. With them would come many hardened mercenaries who will handle most of the security in the Empire. The Sheredyn still remain "loyal" to the Empire, in that it they wouldn't directly declare war on it, but by the time of ES1 they've grown tremendously enough (thanks to Lumeri expertise in so many fields) to become its own faction. The Hissho leave to find a better identity for themselves as the Empire grows increasingly xenophobic in the wake of the Vodyani and Craver wars. The Pilgrims leave because they don't like what the Empire and its Sheredyn is becoming. Cue Sophon contact and the two Wars of Seperation, and now they are their own faction. The Hissho build a unified culture, and also form their own faction.


Of course, this is all just speculation. :)

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8 years ago
May 22, 2017, 9:08:54 PM

I think the description for the Pulsos faction specifically says that the Harmony already came in the Endless galaxy and gone. If we consider the time the Harmony was here Endless Space 1, there is 3 solution:

 - ES2 follow ES1.

 - ES2 take place before ES1 and the harmony came in this galaxy multiple times.

 - ES1 and ES2 are not related, like the 2 being a reimagination of the 1 something like that.

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8 years ago
May 23, 2017, 5:02:27 PM

What I wonder the most was that Hissho ship and the dust explosion we see in one of the ES 2 trailer with the galaxy and the "Flawless Theory" OST playing in the beginning


What is the connection between the Dust explosion in the trailer with the Cravers prologue? Is that the same explosion, or was it the same kind of event happening in the time before the Hissho was even there (in the wars between the Concretes and the Virtuals where the Cravers fought in)?


Is the Hissho ship a sign that the Hissho has advanced like what we have seen in ES1 in the times of ES2? Does that mean ES2 is set after ES1?


I don't know if these are revealed in the questlines I haven't reached yet in-game (Yup haven't advanced that far since the Riftborn update), and I would obviously like someone to correct my wrongs here, but those are my thoughts about the time setting of this game

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8 years ago
May 27, 2017, 2:47:57 PM

I'd think the timeline would be


1. Dungeon of the Endless

2. Endless Legends

3. Endless Space 2

4. Endless Space


Maybe, right? Dunno, it's in my head but I can't seem to type it out neatly. At least not without it being a cool three or four paragraphs long.

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