(EDIT) Ressource Mining Outpost

i feel a adapted coloniser ship that works as a miner, like that Allayi unit in endless legend, could work too. 

How about being able to mine the "special nodes" involving asteroids within the sphere of influence for additional resources?

A new type of outpost sounds amazing. 

Adding a constant flow of civilian ships from mining outposts to colonised systems give better feedback on effective blockades.

It feels good when an Idea get's the attention of Devs. 

Thank you very much.

Kaada wrote:

Tyrenium wrote:

I like the idea of having some new form of outpost.

In my opinion, it should be a weak installation. That way, players have to ensure the safety of their new outpost by posting a permanent guard. Or otherwise running the risk of loosing the outpost to opponents.

Plus, this kind of outpost should not hinder other players from building a colony in the same system.

Everything you wrote is basicly what we already have in mind. The last thing on the other hand...I have to think about it. 

Colonising a System that already has a Mining Outpost shouldn't be possible. The Outpost must be destroyed before Colonising. Or even when one just colonises the System the Mining Outpost will be destroyed immediatly after the Outpost turns into a Colony.

Either Way the Mining Outpost is gone.

Perhaps. Don't overlook the opportunity to increase the depth of the gameplay.

In whatever form that the mining outpost takes, having it in the form of an installation that can be captured will add to overall strategy.

If the system is colonized, then what happens to the outpost would depend upon its form. For example, a factory ship could be piloted to another system, whereas a physical installation could reduce construction cost for a mining-related improvement. 

Tyrenium wrote:

I like the idea of having some new form of outpost.

In my opinion, it should be a weak installation. That way, players have to ensure the safety of their new outpost by posting a permanent guard. Or otherwise running the risk of loosing the outpost to opponents.

Plus, this kind of outpost should not hinder other players from building a colony in the same system.

Everything you wrote is basicly what we already have in mind. The last thing on the other hand...I have to think about it. 

Colonising a System that already has a Mining Outpost shouldn't be possible. The Outpost must be destroyed before Colonising. Or even when one just colonises the System the Mining Outpost will be destroyed immediatly after the Outpost turns into a Colony.

Either Way the Mining Outpost is gone.

allikrid wrote:

it should only be useful for a certain amount of turns (depending of planet survivability). Each outpost will need to be resplenished with more colony ships, or it will be useless and will need reconstruction.

What about vodyani rebalance ?

Since I'm a 90% Craver Player I don't care about the Vodyani. If you are a Vodyani player than play them as often as you can and always different than before (as much as possible) and than think what could be added, changed, or deleted.

Also i don't think the Mining Outpost should vanish after a few turns. I think of them as a benefit and a concern for each player. Benefits are the incoming Ressources, but at the same time the concern to loose them by an attack. 

It is the task of the Player to defend their own operations, but hunt and destroy Enemy Player Operations. That also makes the game much more interesting.

Perhaps alternate outpost types that don't turn into colonies?

I like the idea of having some new form of outpost.

In my opinion, it should be a weak installation. That way, players have to ensure the safety of their new outpost by posting a permanent guard. Or otherwise running the risk of loosing the outpost to opponents.

Plus, this kind of outpost should not hinder other players from building a colony in the same system.

seems good

Kaada wrote:

Vzzdak wrote:

DanielSas wrote:

I think they can make Mining support modules instead. THen you can take an Support ship and equip it!

That's too simplistic. This thread is talking about a kind of factory ship that requires significant resources, which is used as an alternative to establishing a colony.

I think the Colony Ship fits perfect for the Job since it already has the "Equipment" to make a Settlement and so on. I think a Mining Factory Module for the Colony Ship is a good way to go. Should be a High Tier Tech in the Economic and Trade part though, otherwise it would be to simple and to easy getting ressources.

A colony ship has a cargo of starting population, tools, vehicles, and presumably the ship hull can be used as temporary shelter.

A colony ship is *not* a factory or refinement system. In a normal colony, these advanced systems would come after the local population constructed them.

As said, this thread is talking about a new type of ship, a "factory ship," massive in size, used to harvest vital resources (e.g., Hyperion, Jadonyx, etc.), which is costly to maintain and defend.

Vzzdak wrote:

DanielSas wrote:

I think they can make Mining support modules instead. THen you can take an Support ship and equip it!

That's too simplistic. This thread is talking about a kind of factory ship that requires significant resources, which is used as an alternative to establishing a colony.

I think the Colony Ship fits perfect for the Job since it already has the "Equipment" to make a Settlement and so on. I think a Mining Factory Module for the Colony Ship is a good way to go. Should be a High Tier Tech in the Economic and Trade part though, otherwise it would be to simple and to easy getting ressources.

DanielSas wrote:

I think they can make Mining support modules instead. THen you can take an Support ship and equip it!

That's too simplistic. This thread is talking about a kind of factory ship that requires significant resources, which is used as an alternative to establishing a colony.

I think they can make Mining support modules instead. THen you can take an Support ship and equip it!

Hmm. I guess I should edit the Idea a bit. 

We all agree that a Mining Outpost would make more sense cause of the Infrastructure it needs. And we all agree that it shouldn't count as Colony and has to be provided by "Logistic Ships" which deliver "Food" and "Industry" to keep your mining Operation alive.

Good.

How about what Kareal said, an outpost that doesn't turn into a colony.

You would need a special factory-class ship, moves slowly, and has a significant construction cost due to its size.

After moving the factory ship into the given system, you can issue a command to establish a mining outpost.

After several turns, the mining output becomes established, and it begins to generate the resource.

But an outpost doesn't generate FIDS; you are only collecting the resource.

Food would have to be brought in using logistic ships, otherwise the miner population would drop (0 = destruction of the ship?).

There would be an upkeep cost for the mining ship, something significant.

A further limitation is that you are unable to construct the infrastructure that would be possible with a colony.

Well, the implication of needing to form a colony ahead of time is that there needs to be some "local" infrastructure in order to support mining in the given system.

There isn't just mining crews at work, but there is processing, refinement, facility maintenace, food preparation, entertainment venues, and so on. There is so much activity going on, that you have whole communities of people, which naturally means families, and everything necessary to support those families, such as groceries, public school, adult education, domestic luxuries, etc.

One could consider the film, Alien, as an example of an unrealistic mining operation, the idea that a handful of humans could operate some manner of automated mining ship. You'll recall in the film that they were generally miserable workers and annoyed by each other. The funny thing is that in the game, Alien: Isolation, they had a "Nostromo-class" ship like in the film, but now it's a fully-functional community with shops and residential areas, and a population that is not entirely directly focused upon mining.

So I would be forced to say that in ES2, the implementation of colonization makes sense as a requirement before mining may occur. Even if one were to argue that ES2 could have huge mining ships that supported large populations, this is *still* equivalent to the effort of colonizing, just in a different form of building a huge facility (that technically is extraordinarily vulnerable to sabotage, terrorists, and enemy combatants).