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8 years ago
Jun 13, 2017, 8:54:05 PM

Simple enough idea, allow us to inflict Trade agreements and the forced construction of Subsidiaries as part of Diplomatic Demands and Truce proceedings.


As this caused some confusion, do note that the forced construction of Subsidiaries does not involve actually taking control of the opponents industry queue or incentivising them to build a Subsidiary, but rather creating a Subsidiary from thin air on the aggressors system of choice for the duration of the forced Trade Agreement, so that mercantile empires can still squeeze resources from opponents who never researched Trade Routes for whatever reason.


This idea is meant to be taken as part of a set with my Raiding  Invasions, Economic Quadrant Privateers, Comparative Economic Victory, and Luxury Addiction ideas to improve the  state of Economic gameplay in ES2 currently.


Please remember these are separate ideas that you're not voting for here, but are part of a larger set.


Now here's some historical context and fun facts to fill the space.


Historically, Commodore Matthew Perry was able to open Japan to foreign markets because the Japanese government was aware of the violence which broke out in China as a result of the Emperors poor treatment of British diplomats and refusal to accept trade. Similarly, India was a major source of what we would think of as a Luxury Resource in the context of Endless Space 2-- Tea-- because the British Empire used military power to obtain the Raj and use it as a source of economic power. 


We can see similar examples throughout history; the Vikings raided monasteries and villages to obtain suitable gifts for their allies and rivals, creating a power structure based on proving your military ability through the beauty and quality of your loot and keeping people happy with trinkets and beautiful things; Ghengis Khan used his conquered land as the basis for long distance trade across the empire, creating a postal system much akin to the Pony Express which set a land speed record over distance for horse based postal systems while uniting much of what became the Silk Road, an element which was represented by the Roving Clans of Endless Legend; all throughout history we see the fusion of violence and economic gain, whether by trade at spear point or looting of others.

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8 years ago
Jul 6, 2017, 7:25:49 AM

Great idea! The only other suggestion I would add on to your post would be the forced ability (through diplomacy as in your post) to remove the influence of the other empire from minor factions and steal suzerainty from them. I am hoping that in future updates the interactions with minor factions will be broadened and deepened, and I think this system could be a great part of that.


I imagine a situation in which your empire is able to hold hegemony over the stars by reaping the rewards of dust/science/luxuries from your "protectorates" while denying your enemies both resources and future assimilated colonies.

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8 years ago
Jul 22, 2017, 7:16:19 PM

This is so cool, but it can be complicated to implement. Imagine if the other empire does not have the technology to make companies.
And how do you make sure that the other empire really builds the improvement, after accepting the treaty?

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8 years ago
Jul 22, 2017, 7:55:48 PM

It's not meant to be "you must do X," because the other empire may not even have the tech for X. The subsidiary is built as a result of the Diplomatic Demand or Truce Proceedings, and is a temporary location that is supported by the diplomatic element- so you have an option for "Forced Subsidiary" which lasts the duration of the truce, and creates a Subsidiary out of thin air on the world of your choice for that duration.


Hence the idea- you could always do this with humans and be unable to hold them to it, but this turns it into an actual mechanic in the Diplomacy screen instead of a deal on the honor system, and lets you financially take advantage of non-mercantile opponents.

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8 years ago
Jul 23, 2017, 6:08:41 PM

I like this idea, it offers a more aggressive approach to diplomacy and encourages limited war.


There should probably be an option to remove the forced subsidiary too, either automatically when war is declared or as part of a diplomatic agreement or demand.

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