Pleasure wrote:
i would really suggest you think about getting a Normal PC instead of an Laptop. This would be perfect for Rendering etc. and Gaming.. and you could still use your old Laptop for work.



Gaming and 3d Modeling on a Laptop is really not that good Idea..



Of Course it works but a normal PC would be cheaper and have more power.

I agree, but he already said he can´t do that right now. D:

Yeah Intel has outclassed AMD entirely in this generation - it's a shame really as it ruins the competition.

SAMSUNG Series 7 NP700G7C-S01US Notebook Seems to fit your requirements. You can look at it here. Mind it's priced in U.S. money.

The i7 might be a bit overkill for games specifically - but then again finding an i5 variant with a similar graphics card can be a tough challenge. Samsung makes good 17,3's though. Had one for my studies two years ago - got a bit big though, so I downgraded to a 15" Lenovo (with no graphics card)

WhiteWeasel wrote:
SAMSUNG Series 7 NP700G7C-S01US Notebook Seems to fit your requirements. You can look at it here. Mind it's priced in U.S. money.

Thanks Weasel, this one fits them perfectly! - Now I'll try to find out how to get it to the EU and what payment options are possible!



- Any further ideas are still welcome

It's a very bad idea to buy a laptop from overseas. You'll have trouble with support, might not be covered by warranty, be subject to import taxes, the cost of shipping, etc...

BlueTemplar wrote:
It's a very bad idea to buy a laptop from overseas. You'll have trouble with support, might not be covered by warranty, be subject to import taxes, the cost of shipping, etc...

Thanks for pointing out - I'm aware of that - and looking for a proper solution atm.

Well you're from Austria - part of the EU. You can basically find your laptop anywhere then within the union. The UK or Germany might both be good places (Too lazy to go look at either right now :yell

Mansen wrote:
Well you're from Austria - part of the EU. You can basically find your laptop anywhere then within the union. The UK or Germany might both be good places (Too lazy to go look at either right now :yell

Good boy, did your Geographics homwork lol



Yep, I'm checking multiple offers from Germany now, there are some nice sites where they build you an "custom" Laptop with the stuff you want to have inside it

i would really suggest you think about getting a Normal PC instead of an Laptop. This would be perfect for Rendering etc. and Gaming.. and you could still use your old Laptop for work.



Gaming and 3d Modeling on a Laptop is really not that good Idea..



Of Course it works but a normal PC would be cheaper and have more power.

I am an AMD fanboy, nothing you say will convince me. xD

just kidding. i didn´t know that. D:

Pleasure wrote:
i would really suggest you think about getting a Normal PC instead of an Laptop. This would be perfect for Rendering etc. and Gaming.. and you could still use your old Laptop for work.



Gaming and 3d Modeling on a Laptop is really not that good Idea..



Of Course it works but a normal PC would be cheaper and have more power.

I know, I know, but as I mentioned in this thread already - I'm on the move way too often (Study/personal related stuff) - I'm not going for the super-hardcore-gaming/render-performance, but it should be a solid "alrounder".



ATM im thinking of an XMG P722 (most reviews are in german, sorry ) which has pretty good reviews and can be configured to "fit" my financial plans, with still having good performance

This one ?

http://mysn.co.uk/shop/xmg-p722.html

Seems great (so many customisation possibilities!), if a tad expensive (like most things if you want to import them from the UK).

BlueTemplar wrote:
This one ?

http://mysn.co.uk/shop/xmg-p722.html

Seems great (so many customisation possibilities!), if a tad expensive (like most things if you want to import them from the UK).

Yep this one - but as mentioned on my first post, up to 2000€ can be spent



(good stuff isn't cheap all the time)

My advice, don't buy a dell. Period.

I prefer desktops, but this thread is rather old...

Okay, quick update, as there are still a few people around: got confirmed today, should be delivered next week:



Barebone: 17,3" barebone CLEVO P170EM



CPU: INTEL Core i7 - 2760QM, 2,40 GHz - 3,50 GHz, Quad-Core



Graphics: AMD HD7970M, 2GB



RAM: 4x 4 GB DDR-3, 1600 MHz, CORSAIR Vengeance --> 16GB RAM



SSD: 2,5" SATA 6Gb/s INTEL 330 Serie, 120 GB



HDD, DVD/CD Drive, etc included too

I didn't follow the thread, but why did you not go for a desktop PC? Above 15 inches, I find it impossible to carry (and even 15 is too heavy for me ).

Steph'nie wrote:
I didn't follow the thread, but why did you not go for a desktop PC? Above 15 inches, I find it impossible to carry (and even 15 is too heavy for me ).

I can vouch for that - I had a 17,3 laptop for my Computer Science classes last year. It was such a bulky thing to carry around. Now I've got a 15 inch instead which is much more manageable.

Well, I mentioned it on the thread but: i'm changing location way too often as student, that's why - and I got it today and I'm happy with it



Is 17,3 too, but I have no Prob with that.

Oh, if average graphics are fine for you then you shouldn't have trouble finding something that suits you in that price range (unless you want something under 15").



Just search for one with a powerful graphic card (more graphic memory doesn't necessarily mean the graphic card is powerful).

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Comparison-of-Laptop-Graphics-Cards.130.0.html

Watch out for the double graphic card laptops (most of them are nowadays) : they last longer on battery, but you might have compatibility problems with some games (and linux!).



Also remember that the more pixels your screen has, the harder it will be for your graphic card to display. Watch out for shiny screens (which most of the laptops come with) : they make almost impossible to use the laptop with your back to a window or even with a overhead light sometimes.



For the processor, an i7 is overkill for most of the games, but you can afford it and it should help with the 3D modeling.

You forgot the probably most important requirement : what screen size?



Also, I'm not sure that "Gaming (latest stuff)" and 1000€-1500€ price range are compatible, that is if you really want to do things like run Crysis 2 (post-patch) on max settings.



And since you can afford it, why not get an SDD (+ an external hard disk for storage)? I heard this gives an impressive performance boost (especially when compared to a 5400rpm disk laptops tend to have).

I would recommend a desktop for gaming (2gb of graphics on a laptop? wtf!) and buy cheap laptop.



something like that: Buy a 1500 euro desktop and a 500 euros laptop, it would be more than sufficient. if you choose well, you can play ES on both of them! xD

Indeed. Gaming and laptops don't go well together, so I'd recommend against a gaming laptop unless a gaming desktop can't work in your situation.

Thanks for your replies!

The Problem is, I will be changing place often - so desktop is not an option (unfortunatly) - thats why I want/need an Laptop.



I want as much power as possible - inside this Laptop (I don't have to run games on Ultra-Settings - but normal settings should be running "fine" )



ps: my current screen size is 1366 x 768

So, try getone of the Alienware laptops or build one youself, usually is cheaper this way.

With that big of a budget, I'd say go for two desktops.



Laptops are not built for gaming - end of line.



They overheat, they need a power outlet, the monitor is small, the keyboard lacks numpad (unless you go 15" or above), the performance is horrid even if you get one with a dedicated graphics card, and they wear down faster than desktop machines (due to all the moving) - not to mention you'll have no way of keeping the hardware up to date)

Mansen wrote:
With that big of a budget, I'd say go for two desktops.



Laptops are not built for gaming - end of line.



They overheat, they need a power outlet, the monitor is small, the keyboard lacks numpad (unless you go 15" or above), the performance is horrid even if you get one with a dedicated graphics card, and they wear down faster than desktop machines (due to all the moving) - not to mention you'll have no way of keeping the hardware up to date)

Agreed, even though I have managed pretty well with my laptop, it helps that most of what I play are strategy games, probably the most intense game that I currently play is Skyrim.



My laptop is a Qosmio X775 - Q7384, if you want to check into that line of laptops. Just beware of the throttling issue because of the BIOS, even though the latest BIOS seems to fix that issue for the most part, as far as I can tell.

ZZGashi wrote:
Agreed, even though I have managed pretty well with my laptop, it helps that most of what I play are strategy games, probably the most intense game that I currently play is Skyrim.



My laptop is a Qosmio X775 - Q7384, if you want to check into that line of laptops. Just beware of the throttling issue because of the BIOS, even though the latest BIOS seems to fix that issue for the most part, as far as I can tell.

See on the good side, at least you can play ES on a laptop! xD

Okay thanks for new voices in here - I know that Laptops are not "made for Gaming" but as I'm on the move a lot, a Desktop is not an option - currently im thinking of an Asus Gaming Laptop or an "built-by-profis" Laptop (better hardware than the most "usual" Laptops and a bit more expensive).



My current, 3 years old Laptop, an Asus KD50 with just 4 GB RAM and 512MB Graphics was still able to play Skyrim/WoW (rather fluently) - but now I got a GW2 Key as present and tried it - my PC is able to handle it, but it's way too laggy.



Now, my Keyboard is falling apart, (X already missing, Space only works from time to time), RAM is having some issues already, CD/DVD isn't working anymore,etc. -> i'm looking for a new one.



I'll keep looking

Okay, guys: the more opinions the better!



My current Laptops are both close to death - i need a new one.



My "personal" requirements would be: 8GB RAM, ~2GB Graphics, 500GB or 1TB HDD.



Use of the Laptop: Work (Word, Excel, PPT, etc), Gaming (latest stuff) & 3D Rendering/Modelling



Price: up to 2000€ maximum (prefered cheaper, like 1000 to 1500€)



I have been thinking of several Laptops - Asus, custom build from some PC stores, Alienware, etc.



So what do you recommend/suggest?

BlueTemplar wrote:
Oh, if average graphics are fine for you then you shouldn't have trouble finding something that suits you in that price range (unless you want something under 15").



Just search for one with a powerful graphic card (more graphic memory doesn't necessarily mean the graphic card is powerful). Watch out for the double graphic card laptops (most of them are nowadays) : they last longer on battery, but you might have compatibility problems with some games (and linux!).



Also remember that the more pixels your screen has, the harder it will be for your graphic card to display. Watch out for shiny screens (which most of the laptops come with) : they make almost impossible to use the laptop with your back to a window or even with a overhead light sometimes.



For the processor, an i7 is overkill for most of the games, but you can afford it and it should help with the 3D modeling.

Thanks for the nice tips - I'll keep them in mind

Thank god there are already some anti-reflecting screens

Just the old matte screens or a new screen technology?

BlueTemplar wrote:
Just the old matte screens or a new screen technology?

New technology, i think - but not sure about it.

Yeah since Intel started putting their graphics cards (hah!) into every Sandy Core processor, laptops almost always have the "power saving" options. If you go Intel of course (and why wouldn't you these days...)

Personally i recommend AMD processors of Intel ones.

Theya re cheaper and more effiecient. better cost-benefit. =D

Madrox wrote:
Personally i recommend AMD processors of Intel ones.

Theya re cheaper and more effiecient. better cost-benefit. =D

I'm happy with both (got a AMD now)

I thought Intel completely outclassed AMD with their new line of "core" processors, especially on laptops because of power efficiency?

BlueTemplar wrote:
I thought Intel completely outclassed AMD with their new line of "core" processors, especially on laptops because of power efficiency?

I heard similar stuff, I will keep an eye for it, when compairing all my collected "possibly-next-Laptops"