Changing the AI

MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

10 years ago

Oct 9, 2014, 5:10:10 PM

So, my changes worked a little

Maybe I'll try something "bigger".

MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

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MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

10 years ago

Oct 7, 2014, 3:27:51 PM

Noone played it ? I need some feedback to better tune it.

Hupailija

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Hupailija

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21 300g2g pts

10 years ago

Oct 8, 2014, 4:53:13 AM

I think that this is one the biggest problems when it comes to modding forums.. especially when it's as tiny as this one.

Your mod is good step to correct direction and what we really need is AI mod BUT... most active members of this part of forum have been tempering a lot with their files.

That causes problems when it comes to any mods trying to balance AI.

Then again I have been watching all other posts in this part of forums too and have noticed couple things:

1) There just isn't enough people. Most posts in these part of forums don't get over 100-200 views and even less of those gets any really good replies.

2) People are not that interested about what other peoples do. Only difference is that City Defense mod which has now maybe 3 persons.

3) We (as a modders) lack completely vision of what this game really needs. This was one of the things why Endless Space modding did work so well in the beginning. We really did see mistakes in game and we had many great personalities who wanted to fix those.

tl;dr I'm really really really sorry but due to huge amount of changes I have made in core files I'm unable to test any AI mod.

I love the idea that somebody is doing it though and wish that you are succesful and get even couple persons who can help you with to this project. It's highly relevant and needed but it has to be done properly.

MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

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MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

10 years ago

Oct 8, 2014, 5:24:30 AM

You're right.

I've just made a new blog entry, hoping it will attract more attention.

Vicarious

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Vicarious

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33 100g2g pts

10 years ago

Oct 8, 2014, 11:16:36 AM

I've played recently ~70 turns with your mod on fast speed as the Necrophages. All I can say now is that the mod makes the AI much more competitive military-wise, thanks to increased number of units in city garrisons.

MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

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MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

10 years ago

Oct 8, 2014, 11:56:03 AM

Is the only difference in military ?

I know you're necrophages, so no diplomacy, but I also tried some changes in the diplo part.

Did you saw too a change in their army composition ?

Thanks for trying the mod

DEY123

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DEY123

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7 300g2g pts

10 years ago

Oct 8, 2014, 1:23:58 PM

I will try our mod in the next few days (need to find time to play). I also might try on a bit harder difficulty then normal, but I'l let you know what I find.

DEY123

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DEY123

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7 300g2g pts

10 years ago

Oct 9, 2014, 2:09:53 PM

mod makes them a bt tougher on military..not sure about army compisition and diplo as i don't think i have enough comparison points..all in all it seems to make the ai more competitive

MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

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MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

10 years ago

Oct 9, 2014, 3:43:18 PM

Did you have a harder time to win ?

Vicarious

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Vicarious

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10 years ago

Oct 9, 2014, 4:52:09 PM

VieuxChat wrote:
Is the only difference in military ?

I know you're necrophages, so no diplomacy, but I also tried some changes in the diplo part.

Did you saw too a change in their army composition ?

Thanks for trying the mod

Regarding army composition, the Drakken were spamming armies composed exclusively of Drakkenlings, but the two other factions controlled by the AI (the Vaulters and the Ardent Mages) at some point were blending ranged units with infantry or cavalry.

MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

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MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

10 years ago

Oct 1, 2014, 12:53:05 PM

I tried some changes to the AI to make it more powerfull but also more interesting in diplomacy by giving them more personnalities and making them less cheesable (I hope).

But I 'm not a very good player, so I won't see if my changes will really affect the game.

So if some people could try it and give some feedback on how they liked or not the AI.

Here's the way to test it : play in normal, in a map as large as the number of players you want (So a 4 players map if you play with 4 players) and on a pangea map, or two continent but no island.

Every other setting should be set to normal, so that I see how it behaves in "ordinary" conditions.

Thanks for all of those that will try to help

WARNING ! WARNING ! WARNING ! SAVE YOUR FILE BEFORE REPLACING IT !

Here are the files to replace :

AICommanderMissionDefinition.zip

Registry.zip

UNZIP IT THEN PUT IT IN "Public\AI"

EDIT: Made some more tweaks.

EDIT 2 : Made even more tweaks to army composition (they should be a lot more varied and the AI should use a lot more of mercenaries) and added a huge weigth to the technologies of Army Size. And some small tweaks to when the AI should try to expand/acpture/etc.

AICommanderMissionDefinitionV2.zip

RegistryV2.zip

EDIT 3 : Changed a lot more things in the technology tree. AI should research more the luxury and srat resources, unlock the resource and units from the market, and try to get as many militia as they can.

AIParameters[Technology]V2.zip

So if you want the latest changes, take ArmyCompoV2, the TechV2 and registryV2.

EDIT 4 : Wow, It seems I can't stop modding the AI

I changed the defense bonus from the defensive buildings (x 2.5 so the battles should lasts enough to let reinforcement to come. And there's more reasons to siege cities, because +1000 health can be a lot

) and upped the values of militia as the number of new militia you get with those buildings (old : 1 more, now 2 more).

SimulationDescriptors[CityImprovement].zip

SimulationDescriptors[UnitDesign].zip

VIPNasarog

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VIPNasarog

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10 years ago

Oct 9, 2014, 5:59:16 PM

Will your AI MOD make it into a release version? Since I am trophy hunting right now, I am loathe to play with any mods or custom factions.

MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

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MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

10 years ago

Oct 9, 2014, 6:34:34 PM

I don't think. Even if we are talking with the devs, I think they already have done some changes. I do it to help people that want more challenge and to better understand how the AI work so that I can tweak it better.

MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

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MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

10 years ago

Oct 11, 2014, 8:00:51 AM

I've done some more changes. The AI should be more reactive, militarywise.

Just drop the 3 files of the zip (registryV2, armycompositionV2 and AIParameters[Technology]) in the AI folder as said in the first post.

Feel free to give some feedback !

Vicarious

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Vicarious

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10 years ago

Oct 11, 2014, 9:28:28 AM

VieuxChat, AIParameters[Technology].xml you uploaded is binary equal to the default game file with the same name.

MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

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MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

10 years ago

Oct 11, 2014, 11:13:52 AM

Thanks

I've put the right file.

DEY123

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DEY123

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7 300g2g pts

10 years ago

Oct 11, 2014, 5:00:39 PM

on the earlier version (from a day or so ago) I can confirm the AI is keeping units in garrison. Unit composition is varied but only by using default unit and minor faction. Something probably needs to change in how they value the tech advance that unlocks their other units.

MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

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MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

10 years ago

Oct 11, 2014, 7:45:55 PM

Ok. I did more changes. I had some chllenge in late-mid game with som ebattles that involoved 12 or 15 units from each side. But mine were a bit too tough from some cheated accessory from the cultist quest -___- That regeneration is insane. Otherwise I wouldn't have been able to steamroll in the end.

I think the AI is aggressive enough now, I'd like to put more incentive on using more the diplomacy options, but I didn't find a way to create the changes I want.

I think I'll try to tinker with the battle AI now... It will be a hard one. I would need some saves where huge battles occur, or battles with a lot of different kind of units.

EDIT: I changed how much the AI want to expand, but in the end it is a bit more weak because it doesn't expand safely. So I think that I'll need to tweak it more. But after some pass on the battle AI and technology choices.

MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

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MODVieuxChat

Chameleon

10 years ago

Oct 11, 2014, 8:23:15 PM

I've also added a better defense bonus to cities from the buildings that provides some.

I didn't changed the militia values, but changes how much they get at each era. (30% instead of 20% then 60% instead of 40%, etc.)

JetJaguar

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JetJaguar

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10 years ago

Oct 11, 2014, 9:01:38 PM

Thanks VieuxChat for creating this mod. I'm about to try it for the first time.

One question though: I really like playing on 'endless' speed (even 'slow' feels fast to me). Will your mod still work with 'endless' speed? and thanks again for creating this mod. I'm hoping it will allow me to keep playing, instead of taking a break while waiting for AI improvements. I really, really like this game. I don't want to stop playing.