AOW3 was so disappointing for me... the only thing i loved was the character editor (and the super informative tooltips).



- Diplomacy was terrible.

- All the races felt the same. And the fact that you can recruit heroes and units from other races made this even more painful.

- The game was a tier 3/4 spam right from the start... the new patches fixed the pace of the game, but for me it's still no fun.

- Mountain climbing with all kind of units made choke points and other strategies totally useless.

- I hated the fact that damaged units did the same damage as if they were full health, this was very counterintuitive... too bad this is an issue for me on EL too.



So, i really hope EL will be much better.

Kingsguard wrote:
About overhaul 4X, offcourse, not the same games at all ^^



But I disagree, Vieuxchat, when I read what you wrote I come to the conclusion : EL, AOW3 and FE are very comparable on many points... And differents on many points.



MOREOVER, when my friend asked for a Fantasy 4X, I told him about AOW3 and EL (Warlock and Fallen Enchantress are... at the bot of the fantasy 4X ^^) , its why a started a poll, I thought that was interresting to see what you would have answered...







I think you are new cause Suggestion are made into another thread : /#/endless-legend/forum/6-game-design



Endless Legend Forum is an overhaul section.



And if you dont want to answer the poll or you dont like the thread, its pretty unuseful to post, please only read.



No offense

Hmm, Fallen Enchantress with the Legendary Heroes expansion belongs to be nowhere near the bottom of the list. To suggest so is either a result of your ignorance or outright trolling.

Also, I would love to see the RPG elements added in an expansion later, with expanded hero customization and deeper development. Much like Legendary Heroes.



Hell, I'm really hoping you guys expand this one a couple times, as there is just so much you can do with the EL foundation you're laying here.

DevildogFF wrote:
Hmm, Fallen Enchantress with the Legendary Heroes expansion belongs to be nowhere near the bottom of the list. To suggest so is either a result of your ignorance or outright trolling.

Trolling / Ignorance ? You serious man ? This is madness !



I dont like FE, I have no right to do so ?



Damn we dont care about it.

Also, I would love to see the RPG elements added in an expansion later, with expanded hero customization and deeper development. Much like Legendary Heroes.



Hell, I'm really hoping you guys expand this one a couple times, as there is just so much you can do with the EL foundation you're laying here.

I would prefer Units (graphical) customization to heroes's one but, well, we all have our dream about EL

FE:LH bad ? Warlock bad ?!? O_o

It's no point answering your question if that's what you think of those games.

Tanel88 wrote:
I was really looking forward to AoW 3 at first, but now I'm a little disappointed. AI and diplomacy are lacking completely in every aspect. Empire building and research is really boring. Races don't feel that different. The only good things are hero customization and tactical combat, but even in combat units die too fast for my liking.



At the moment EL is looking much better, but it still has a long way to go before being complete.

My sentiments also.

VieuxChat wrote:
FE:LH bad ? Warlock bad ?!? O_o

It's no point answering your question if that's what you think of those games.

You misinterpret what I said.



I love Warlock, I bought all the DLCs and FE is fine too but the poll is between AOW3 and EL, point on the line, stop trolling me damn ^^

Interesting... I own all 4 games. No one game will scratch all itches. I like aspects from each game, and wish there was a way to have everything I want in one place. I think EL has the potential to be that. The closest so far though is FE:LH. Why hasn't anyone mentioned Eador:MotBW?

Endless Legend I fully expect to be heavily moddable. With the quest system I think EL could have some very strong scenario mods in which you roleplay a lot more than most 4X's. Heck, I hope we can make some custom factions with their own quest lines and everything (not for multiplayer ofcourse). For now EL is going to be a very competent 4X game, but I can easily see it becoming a better roleplaying game than heroes of might and magic, and honestly the only reason why I would recommend AoW 3 is because I call it heroes 7.

sarin555 wrote:
No matter what you people said, Civ and Galactic Civ series will always be number 1

About overhaul 4X, offcourse, not the same games at all ^^



But I disagree, Vieuxchat, when I read what you wrote I come to the conclusion : EL, AOW3 and FE are very comparable on many points... And differents on many points.



MOREOVER, when my friend asked for a Fantasy 4X, I told him about AOW3 and EL (Warlock and Fallen Enchantress are... at the bot of the fantasy 4X ^^) , its why a started a poll, I thought that was interresting to see what you would have answered...

No offense , but i think this thread should be moved to Off-topic , why ? : because it add nothing to EL , its not a suggestion or anything that will make the game better , its you asking the opinion of the forum users about which one they would suggest to someone else ... i honestly don't know if you did this on purpose or you didn't notice that there is an "off - topic", so please don't post this kinda of thread in the EL section post it in the Off-Topic. Again no offense meant .

I think you are new cause Suggestion are made into another thread : /#/endless-legend/forum/6-game-design



Endless Legend Forum is an overhaul section.



And if you dont want to answer the poll or you dont like the thread, its pretty unuseful to post, please only read.



No offense

Kingsguard wrote:
This is madness !

Madness??? This is Spar- the EL forum so of course at least 80% of the people will say El. It is like asking who do you like better: Kim Jong Il or Barrack Obama in the US or North Korea. They are going to be polar opposites. Plus I have never played AoW so I won't vote.

As stated before: All the games are good in their own way. But if I had to choose I would would choose EL.



I really like the looks of EL and the setting is way more thought through than the typical elf vs. orc vs. dwarf vs. human scenario that AoW3 uses.

Kingsguard wrote:
You misinterpret what I said.



I love Warlock, I bought all the DLCs and FE is fine too but the poll is between AOW3 and EL, point on the line, stop trolling me damn ^^

I would answer your friend what I said in my post above

What kind of game does he like ? And I would recommand or EL or Warlock or FE:LH or AoW3. If he likes fantasy 4X he shouldn't ignore FE and Warlock.

Nasarog wrote:
Interesting... I own all 4 games. No one game will scratch all itches. I like aspects from each game, and wish there was a way to have everything I want in one place. I think EL has the potential to be that. The closest so far though is FE:LH. Why hasn't anyone mentioned Eador:MotBW?

You're right ! Eador has a very strong roleplaying part, even better than FE. And the shard system is very interesting, even if it adds a lot of repetitiveness. but the last patch added some interesting tweaks and content to avoid that.

What baffles me is that I spent nearly as much time on Eador than the combined time of all other games -__- and I didin't think of it. Maybe it's more an RPG for me than a strategy game (even if there's the tactical layer is very strong)

VieuxChat wrote:
I would answer your friend what I said in my post above

What kind of game does he like ? And I would recommand or EL or Warlock or FE:LH or AoW3. If he likes fantasy 4X he shouldn't ignore FE and Warlock.





You're right ! Eador has a very strong roleplaying part, even better than FE. And the shard system is very interesting, even if it adds a lot of repetitiveness. but the last patch added some interesting tweaks and content to avoid that.

What baffles me is that I spent nearly as much time on Eador than the combined time of all other games -__- and I didin't think of it. Maybe it's more an RPG for me than a strategy game (even if there's the tactical layer is very strong)

Yea, Eador's 2 main weaknesses in my opinion are: poor A.I. (as is the case with most games), and the grind for shards. Because you always start over with each new shard. If it didn't do that.. omfg, what a game it would be.



It would be the IT game for this gen 4x fantasy rpg tbs.



Now, if EL took cues from the leading games... oh man!!!!

I think this poll is a bit biased

simply because the website it is on

Yeah, but I gave each game a solid attempt a trying to like it and I walked away bored with AoW3 in a few short hours while I've already given EL four times the amount of gameplay.



So, unbiased is still EL

Well, offcourse I knew that the poll would end on a EL victory (A wise man said :

simply because the website it is on

) but I just wanted to see your reactions and that was very interresting !

Kingsguard wrote:
Hate me if you want but, AOW3 and EL are the 2 major Fantasy 4X at the moment and I had friends hesitating between EL and AOW3, so, I was curious to see the result of a Poll like this.

Fair enough. I don't hate you btw! I only hate this type of question since I've been hearing it way too often and, as I said, I hate comparing those two games :3

AOW3. I think it is a bit of an unfair comparison due to the fact this game is only just now in Beta though. I do like both. Although i do have a sneaking suspicion I will still prefer AOW3 a little bit when EL is at its full release.

Well, I mentioned that was still a Beta and you have to take care the potential and the planned features of the game when voting at this poll.

I honestly hate it when people try so hard to compare the two games. They are really different. I mean it.



AoW3 has a better battle system right now and I believe that it will also stay this way, so if my friend only cares about battles, I would recommend AoW3. That being said, I personally like not having total control over my units in EL - it feels kinda realistic this way. But yeah, the combat is still more enjoyable in AoW3.



However, for me the meat of any 4x is not the combat but the empire management aspect and in that area EL is just so much better then AoW3. Sure, item crafting in AoW3 is awesome, creating your leader is also very fun. But overall, creating an empire in EL feels much more satisfying. It's also more complex, at least in my opinion and I like it. It feels like EL just has more strategic depth. Especially when I think about the potential it has.



Also, EL looks better



It is still a hard choice but I would personally recommend EL.



Especially since I know my friends have both games and like EL more but that's a different matter



And yes, this is coming from a totally biased person. But we all have our biases, don't we? ^_^

PANCZASU wrote:
I honestly hate it when people try so hard to compare the two games. They are really different. I mean it.

Hate me if you want but, AOW3 and EL are the 2 major Fantasy 4X at the moment and I had friends hesitating between EL and AOW3, so, I was curious to see the result of a Poll like this.



Even if many people seems to vote without posting anything ^^

A true 4X fan wouldn't even think these games are in the same competition.



Even at Beta, Endless Legend is the MUCH BETTER 4X game.



All AoW3 has going for it is a very nice tactical battle system.



Everything else is eclipsed by EL. The rest of AoW3's game is shallow and merely serviceable. It's all just a platform for the great tactical battles.

DevildogFF wrote:
A true 4X fan wouldn't even think these games are in the same competition.



Even at Beta, Endless Legend is the MUCH BETTER 4X game.



All AoW3 has going for it is a very nice tactical battle system.



Everything else is eclipsed by EL. The rest of AoW3's game is shallow and merely serviceable. It's all just a platform for the great tactical battles.

Why not in the same competition ? I dont understand, never talked about competition ^^

Kingsguard wrote:
Why not in the same competition ? I dont understand, never talked about competition ^^

Uh, by saying "Which one is better", they're competing against each other.



EL is the better all-around game. From someone who has been playing 4X games since before the term was created, EL is the most well rounded fantasy 4X game since MoM, having recently overcome Fallen Enchantress: Legendary Heroes for me.



I think when it's done, it will be the new MoM.

I think these two games are incomparable. Yes, they are X4. Yes, they are fantasy. And yes, they feature RPG, turn based combat.



But, what these games are trying to accomplish are worlds apart. Speaking as an avid Age of Wonders fan, I appreciate both these titles separately. There is not one that stands out over the other, because they are simply doing different things.



They are set in totally different universes. One is much much more combat orientated. The other is a much more X4 orientated affair. Age of Wonders is teetering closer to Heros of Might and Magic, whereas Endless Legend, clearly has influences in X4 games more generally



But that point aside. Why choose one? When you can have both

Imagine that a friend ask you : "Im hesitating to buy a 4X fantasy game, especially between Endless Legend and Age of Wonders 3, which one would you advise me in your opinion ?"



I would answer :



"I love both AOW3 and EL buuuuut atm, AOW3 is fairly better at the moment, we have more units (like... 10 times more ^^), we can play underground (awesome feature), research are better, there is a deep Customization (settings, leader's trait, classes, races...), even Graphic one (RPG"s like, that's great) and a 7th race is coming soon !



Nevertheless EL look like an ambitious game and I love the Amplitude Dev Team and G2G system. The graphics are great, Auriga is the most beautiful land you can dream on atm.

The lore is very addictive and the races are uniques.



But about gameplay, the BETA still lack of deepth....



One thing is weird too, we havent enough (graphical) evolution feeling between the Eras, we have no visual changes else the weapons which mean that we play with toooo few units (graphically) so you feel playing with always the same 2-3-4-5 same units.



Still, that game can become one a must-buy after its release but if you wanna be sure, buy AOW3, you will not be disapointed, for sure. If you are curious, buy EL."





What about you ? (Answer only if you played AOW3 please...)

AOW3 has the better eXterminate component.



EL has slightly more in-depth versions of the other 4X's, and only really slightly, but that's because the game isn't finished.



Overall? AOW3 is a complete game, get that.

Oh hi steam forums when did you get here? ^^



I'm tired of the comparison between these two games, honestly. Endless Legend just reached beta. Its unfair to EL to say AOW3 is better since EL is not complete. At the same time, I think it seems insulting to AOW3 and co to call an unfinished game better.

"drewrest" wrote:
But, what these games are trying to accomplish are worlds apart. Speaking as an avid Age of Wonders fan, I appreciate both these titles separately. There is not one that stands out over the other, because they are simply doing different things.



They are set in totally different universes. One is much much more combat orientated. The other is a much more X4 orientated affair. Age of Wonders is teetering closer to Heros of Might and Magic, whereas Endless Legend, clearly has influences in X4 games more generally

This I agree with ^

Ok then, I apologise for not calling EL the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Stealth_Hawk wrote:


I'm tired of the comparison between these two games

I saw nothing about it, I searched on the forum , no thread about comparison between EL and AOW3, sorry if you are tired by the first thread about it ^^



And offcourse EL is not finished but I was talking about planned features...

No offense , but i think this thread should be moved to Off-topic , why ? : because it add nothing to EL , its not a suggestion or anything that will make the game better , its you asking the opinion of the forum users about which one they would suggest to someone else ... i honestly don't know if you did this on purpose or you didn't notice that there is an "off - topic", so please don't post this kinda of thread in the EL section post it in the Off-Topic. Again no offense meant .

In fact the comparison is flawed because they don't cater to the same public. Both are good games, but give different gameplay feelings.

The closest game to EL is Fallen enchantress : Legendary heroes. but even that game has some strong differences with EL.



The differences comes from the differences between tactic, strategy and roleplaying.



AoW3 has a strong tactic layer with some thin strategic layer and basic roleplaying (as in "playing a role" ans not just "having stats" like a lot of people think nowadays -___-)

Warlock 2 has a good tactic layer, good strategic layer and thin roleplaying

Fallen Enchantress has a good tactic layer, an average strategic layer and a strong roleplaying layer.

EL has an average tactic layer, a very strong strategic layer and an average roleplaying layer.



So, all those games are good. In their own right.

You want a wargame (Like the tabletop ones) at a strategic scale ? Play Warlock.

You want a wargame (Like the tabletop ones) at a tactic scale ? Play AoW3

You want a management game (when your "maths skills" and your "ability to think with a lot of dimensions" will be put to good use ?) Play EL.

You want to live an engaging story ? Play FE:LH.

I was really looking forward to AoW 3 at first, but now I'm a little disappointed. AI and diplomacy are lacking completely in every aspect. Empire building and research is really boring. Races don't feel that different. The only good things are hero customization and tactical combat, but even in combat units die too fast for my liking.



At the moment EL is looking much better, but it still has a long way to go before being complete.

The fact that this poll on the endless legend forums is even garnering support for AoW3 shows that AoW3 is a better game than people are giving credit.