Goetia wrote:

I believe that in a dictatorship all systems get a happiness penalty relating to the portion of the population that didn't support the ruling party. I don't have a Craver game going at the moment so I can't check, but I think the number shown at the end of the "election" is an average and each system will get its own penalty based on its population. I haven't seen the happiness penalty apply under other government types.

I assumed this would be the case too. Early on in my game the modifier was manageable, but at some point in my last game it was applying in full to every system, including my capital filled exclusively with my presumably militarist craver pops. It could be that they drifted away from militarism somehow but this isn't reflected anywhere that I can see in game.

vahouth wrote:

I had the same thing. At results screen it say that support has a -8 on average, but then I got this:

That's what mine looked like too but it got up to -37 . I think the -10 "PopulationParasite" might be the slavery modifier, not sure why its showing up like that.

AdmiralAckbar wrote:

I think I was mistaken and the problem isn't with the Cravers, but more with the dictatorship government type. All elections really, but it can mostly be ignored except with a dictatorship. I think I was incorrectly conflating multiple issues earlier, so here's a long rant in the hope a dev reads this.

Personally, I think the issue is that the happiness system is a little broken at the moment. There are multiple things that can cause sudden drops in happiness and the player has no immediate way to respond. I think dictatorships would be fine if there was some sort of repression option that the player could use when a previously happy system suddenly gets -40 happiness.

Luckily, the devs have mentioned that they are looking at potentially making some changes to happiness. In the meantime, has anyone tried religious cravers to access the law locking happiness to content?

With the tech that lets you change your government you get more tooltips. Under Dictatorship it states:

- Dictators can impose their desired political ideology on their populations

- However, the further this ideology from the Population's natural inclinations, the bigger the friction

In a dictatorship every planet sends 7 representatives to the senate. In every other government the senate seats are either distributed bye poplation (democracy and republic) or by system level (federation). So bigger systems (population or system level) will have a bigger influence for all other government types, in a dictatorship it is spread equally.

So the approval hit is intended. In the first elections where my Cravers were almost all militarists, I got an approval buff. One change I would suggest is a diminishing buff/debuff over the turns. So the benefit of a dictatorship to change your leading political party and get access to all their laws (100% approval, even if loosing access to all other laws) is still there and huge. But with this it would also be feasible. Otherwise the approval hit can be too huge and you won't change your leading party and won't use the benefit of the dictatorship. The other government types have the benefit of having different laws from different ideologies available.

Love Cravers, they're great. Dictatorship feels half implemented though, as do Cravers and their interactions with diplomacy / senate.

Happiness and the election system absolutely isn't fully functional.

Only way to bypass this is to either take the 'content minimum' Religious law or simply not play. The election happiness debuff seems to be the biggest offender, then of course overcolonisation and  overpopulation followed by everything else.

As the op played the cravers i think there is no room for a tiny bit of democracy here.

Bracus wrote:

Well i stellaris in dictatorships there is no voting as it should be. I hope they will come up something similar here9

The thing is that having the Militarist party in power, doesn't mean you are having a Dictatorship. 

I can definitely see a Dictatorship though supporting Industrialists if Militarists become a threat to authority.

Well i stellaris in dictatorships there is no voting as it should be. I hope they will come up something similar here9

AdmiralAckbar wrote:

This same thing happened to me and basically made it impossible to continue. Even if I had no over-colonization unhappiness I couldn't stack enough happiness to overcome the malus. Then, even after my non-craver pops (a pretty insignificant portion of my empire) were gone the malus remained. The election system is really unclear as well. Shouldn't non-craver pops be enslaved and not get a vote?

On the flip side I took over a bunch of craver planets in a Lumeris game and the couldn't get rid of the craver pops that would eventually make my planets worthless. It's like the game thinks I have population control options but I don't as far as I can tell. If i had been able to purge the problem pops in either game I don't think this would have been and issue. 

Strictly speaking most craver populations shouldn't be cognizant enough to vote either but I guess it's a sop to gameplay mechanisms.

I've played a game with the cravers and I faced a problem : when the elections ended (I supported the militarists) my people where very unhappy (-32 in all systems)... Is there any bug or anything else ? Maybe I didn't understand the political system... 

I also think it would make more sense if the happiness penalty was an outcome of the player supporting a party of the minority.

Why suffer a penalty for supporting what the people want?

I believe that in a dictatorship all systems get a happiness penalty relating to the portion of the population that didn't support the ruling party. I don't have a Craver game going at the moment so I can't check, but I think the number shown at the end of the "election" is an average and each system will get its own penalty based on its population. I haven't seen the happiness penalty apply under other government types.

AdmiralAckbar wrote:

In the political voting if you officially "support" a specific group your entire system will have a - because you're essentially corrupting the voting.

If you Financially support you receive an even larger -happiness and if you use influence the minus is considerable. It would be as if you were "rigging" the election. 

I haven't had a chance to actually try not to choose any of it as to let the major party just win by themselves.


Does that make sense?

- Capt'

I went back to double check this; it might just be a bug, but right now you get the negative happiness modifier even if you choose not to support someone. At least this is the case under a dictatorship as the Craver.

I had the same thing. At results screen it say that support has a -8 on average, but then I got this:

-17.9  from elections??? WTF

And WTH is that -10 from PopulationParasite? 2 systems are already affected by it without even a hint as to why!

In the political voting if you officially "support" a specific group your entire system will have a - because you're essentially corrupting the voting.

If you Financially support you receive an even larger -happiness and if you use influence the minus is considerable. It would be as if you were "rigging" the election. 

I haven't had a chance to actually try not to choose any of it as to let the major party just win by themselves.


Does that make sense?

- Capt'

I went back to double check this; it might just be a bug, but right now you get the negative happiness modifier even if you choose not to support someone. At least this is the case under a dictatorship as the Craver.

Linoot wrote:

I've played a game with the cravers and I faced a problem : when the elections ended (I supported the militarists) my people where very unhappy (-32 in all systems)... Is there any bug or anything else ? Maybe I didn't understand the political system... 

In the political voting if you officially "support" a specific group your entire system will have a - because you're essentially corrupting the voting.

If you Financially support you receive an even larger -happiness and if you use influence the minus is considerable. It would be as if you were "rigging" the election. 

I haven't had a chance to actually try not to choose any of it as to let the major party just win by themselves.


Does that make sense?

- Capt'

Linoot wrote:
The happiness counter in all my systems says that I lose (-)32 of happiness. So all my systems are in rebellion, they can't produce any food, science, industry and dust... if I can't produce food, my people die... first it's the minor factions but after it's the cravers. When I conquer an enemy system they're ecstatic and there is no -32 of happiness... until the next elections.

But when you hover your mouse over the -32  what does it say? It's because of...