UndeadPuppy wrote:

These bodies are protective robotic suits to help them survive in our universe. They don't take them on because they cross the rift, but because they need them to survive, seeing how the Endless Universe is toxic to them.

Yea one of my possibilities. But in the into they crossed the breach and appeared as one of their ships, never seen going into a protective structure. Also don't remember devs saying this is a protective vest. so not sure about this point, but 50% you're right.

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About the image in Vodyani intro, think this is not a Concrete Endless

Orbotosh wrote:

I was talking about the thing you see at the end for the Sophons' Vision and Vodyani's Vision trailers, which is more or less implied to be some sort of malevolent creation of the Endless if not some sort of cosmic horror and definitely the arc villain.

Probably this^^ is a better explanation, but till now not sure about that.

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Lastly, My doubts about the effect in Endless universe still remains

Narrator should be enclosed in that Dust crystal. Just think of it, Dungeon of the Endless journal is written by somebody, who observes every hero on its journey, and Dust crystal is the only thing that present through it all, regardless of hero line-up in each new game. Like every art or video where this Crystal pops-up scream: "Look! I'm here! I was here all the time, in front of you!"

Yeah, ever since announcement trailer the Grey Owl keeps popping up and it's getting rather weird....We see the explosion of what looks like a Hissho ship and the spreading of dust in the Announcement Trailer also given the Flight of the Grey Owl story we know for a fact that the Grey Owl was heading towards Auriga for repairs to it's ability to traverse WORMHOLES was somehow damaged....
Then we see SOMETHING like the explosion at the end of the Cravers trailer and some weird disturbances in other trailers (Both vision Trailers show Dust filtering down to the respective homeworlds of the Sophons and Vodyani with a very odd 'Flux' or nexus of Dust in the background which could be the epicenter.) The Narrator also mentions a plan being in place, the plan itself isn't discussed but seems to imply that seeing dust around the galaxy is a major part of it.
Now in the Riftborn video and in some text we learn that the Grey Owl was responsible for the Rift that opened up into the Riftborn's galaxy.

My theory is that whoever the Narrator is used the Grey Owl as a means of spreading Dust across the galaxy. The Grey Owl's FTL as it pertains to wormholes was damaged and it made a stop onto Auriga to make repairs...Auriga being a major Endless research nexus at the time, so maybe they got repairs done...But these repairs were instead a trap to advance some unknown plan? Maybe when the Owl tried to traverse a wormhole whatever was done to the Drives caused it to rip a series of wormholes across the galaxy all at the same time to spread dust around as widely as possible.  (Such a violent instantaneous event to open up a dozens if not hundreds of wormholes all across the galaxy from a single point could have feasibly been what lead to the Rift.) 

And explosion/rift is just confirmed to be caused by Grey Owl, or rather something (Dust crystal ?) on its board.

https://youtu.be/FJl254O6do4?t=36

Sublustris wrote:

Depends on the nature of explosion. Maybe it ripped open multiple dimensional holes all throughout the galaxy, so it could be observed everywhere. Maybe that's how dust spread across the galaxy.

P.S. To the person asking, teaser videos:

Cheers for the vids!

Wait, if the Cravers saw the explosion of the Grey Owl, then that means that they were a stone's throw away from Auriga.

And to think, that these people nearly had a more urgent problem on their hands than eternal winter.

WeLoveYou wrote:

Teslaflux wrote:

I would think the event seen in the Craver Prologue is also this event here:

"Although somewhat religiously minded before the explosion of the Grey Owl ripped a hole in the Riftborn's universe" (https://wiki.endless-space.com/academy/%E2%88%82#identity)

And wasn´t there a early trailer were we see the Grey Owl? 

This was some great sleuthing. If you watch the 'A New Beginning' trailer, you can definitely see the rift being formed, just before the huge dust explosion (compare the visuals to the Riftborn trailer - they are identical). That means the planet we see in the Riftborn trailer, is Auriga.

This leaves me with a couple of questions.

What the hell was on the Grey Owl  that caused the explosion of that magnitude? Was it put there deliberately? Was there a bigger plan here, or just all an accident?

Who is the narrator from the A New Beginning Trailer? My thought on this a long time ago was that it was one of the versions of Tarosh (who is definitely one of the most intriguing characters in the Endless universe, I hope to see and learn more about it in ES2), but now I think it lends credit to idea that the Riftborn might not have known about the Endless, but the Endless might have known about (and been around?) them. So maybe a Virtual that had been living in Riftborn space?

What is the blight, and where did it come from? Again, was this just some unfortunate fact about the interaction between real space and the Riftborn universe? Or something more sinister and deliberate?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! Can't wait for the update to be released.

Edit: Does anyone have a link to the 'enhanced reality' version of the A New Beginning trailer? Could be insightful.

1) Not sure. I know it's a Hissho ship... but my knowledge on it is limited at best.

2) We don't know. The Main Story quest will probably answer that. I hope...

3) We don't know for sure, although the fact that he has 4 eyes like the "demon" in the Vodyani prologue alludes to some sort of connection.

4) The blight could just be dark matter oozing into Coroz from the other universe, or it could be something more insidious and related to the cargo the Grey Owl held. 

The plot thickens...

I would think the event seen in the Craver Prologue is also this event here:

"Although somewhat religiously minded before the explosion of the Grey Owl ripped a hole in the Riftborn's universe" (https://wiki.endless-space.com/academy/%E2%88%82#identity)

And wasn´t there a early trailer were we see the Grey Owl? 

Sublustris wrote:

I don't think it went unnoticed.

An event seen in Cravers Prologue:

Pretty sure the explosion at the end of the Cravers prologue is how the Virtual Endless nuked the Cravers back to the Stone Age.

UndeadPuppy wrote:

Just roll with it and have fun.

Just what I've been doing. Only the initial question raised my attention and want to know more a bout this specific lore.

Hi,

Just thinking about this: the rift that destroyed Riftborn universe is affecting someway Endless universe?

It's curious that an event of this magnitude only affected one side of the breach. May be Endless universe has effects that goes unnoticed? Or may be due to different time perception Endless universe life forms see these alterations as something normal??

UndeadPuppy wrote:

These bodies are protective robotic suits to help them survive in our universe. They don't take them on because they cross the rift, but because they need them to survive, seeing how the Endless Universe is toxic to them.

Yea one of my possibilities. But in the into they crossed the breach and appeared as one of their ships, never seen going into a protective structure. Also don't remember devs saying this is a protective vest. so not sure about this point, but 50% you're right.

Orbotosh wrote:

lo_fabre wrote:

Orbotosh wrote:
If it's this major, then it must have some relationship to the "demon" from the Vodyani intro and trailers. I can't think of anything Concrete, though, so it's Virtually a red herring until further notice.

Well the demons in Vodyani intro looks very different from Riftborn. They're 4-eyes beasts, not a mechanic-like pieces floating together.

As side note, not sure if Riftbon can be considered as mechanical entities like Sowers or Automatons, cause really nobody knows what structure has in their natural environment, and what's inside this machine-looking bodies. Not even sure if what we see is a Vodyani-like vest.

I was talking about the thing you see at the end for the Sophons' Vision and Vodyani's Vision trailers, which is more or less implied to be some sort of malevolent creation of the Endless if not some sort of cosmic horror and definitely the arc villain.

I thought it was a Concrete Endless? Why else would the Vodyani hate it so much?

lo_fabre wrote:

Orbotosh wrote:
If it's this major, then it must have some relationship to the "demon" from the Vodyani intro and trailers. I can't think of anything Concrete, though, so it's Virtually a red herring until further notice.

Well the demons in Vodyani intro looks very different from Riftborn. They're 4-eyes beasts, not a mechanic-like pieces floating together.

As side note, not sure if Riftbon can be considered as mechanical entities like Sowers or Automatons, cause really nobody knows what structure has in their natural environment, and what's inside this machine-looking bodies. Not even sure if what we see is a Vodyani-like vest.

I was talking about the thing you see at the end for the Sophons' Vision and Vodyani's Vision trailers, which is more or less implied to be some sort of malevolent creation of the Endless if not some sort of cosmic horror and definitely the arc villain.

SuperMarloWorld wrote:

Well i tought the rift came directly from endless universe, and that's why it lead to the Rifters to the endless universe, and why they try to find a solution here. 

Btw i really wonder if riftborn are virtual endless who accomplished their final purpose before the total extinction oft endless races : create a new perfect virtual universe and live inside as a immortal form of life (for example). That would explain the connection between their geometric universe and the endless universe, and why they instantly looks so fuckin powerfull when they come back. Maybe they have forgotten who they was in a first place.

Oho! Like this one.

Or maybe they are fuckin math school notebooks critters coming back to our universe to annoy us again and again. 

Worst nightmare ever

UndeadPuppy wrote:

Actually we do know what they look like. They're white floating octagonal looking things. We saw them in their Prologue. Heck, we even see two of them interact with eachother. 

Seen this trailer too. But what I'm not sure is if what we see are the form they take when crossing to this universe or a suit containing the. I don't know if a Dodecahedron in Riftborn universe is still a floating dodecahedron here and contained in a suit, or what we see is the form it takes when crosses the breach.

lo_fabre wrote:

Orbotosh wrote:
If it's this major, then it must have some relationship to the "demon" from the Vodyani intro and trailers. I can't think of anything Concrete, though, so it's Virtually a red herring until further notice.

Well the demons in Vodyani intro looks very different from Riftborn. They're 4-eyes beasts, not a mechanic-like pieces floating together.

As side note, not sure if Riftbon can be considered as mechanical entities like Sowers or Automatons, cause really nobody knows what structure has in their natural environment, and what's inside this machine-looking bodies. Not even sure if what we see is a Vodyani-like vest.

Actually we do know what they look like. They're white floating octagonal looking things. We saw them in their Prologue. Heck, we even see two of them interact with eachother. 

Orbotosh wrote:
If it's this major, then it must have some relationship to the "demon" from the Vodyani intro and trailers. I can't think of anything Concrete, though, so it's Virtually a red herring until further notice.

Well the demons in Vodyani intro looks very different from Riftborn. They're 4-eyes beasts, not a mechanic-like pieces floating together.

As side note, not sure if Riftbon can be considered as mechanical entities like Sowers or Automatons, cause really nobody knows what structure has in their natural environment, and what's inside this machine-looking bodies. Not even sure if what we see is a Vodyani-like vest.

Sublustris wrote:

I don't think it went unnoticed.

An event seen in Cravers Prologue:

Good point here. Not sure if related as I never tried Cravers in ES2 (not much fan in ES1). This obviously is a very big event, even if not related.

About other images not sure. ATM not at home and can't see them with proper resolution.

I don't think it went unnoticed.

An event seen in Cravers Prologue:

And Dust spreading seen in Vodyani's/Sophons' vision trailers, and in logo screen as well, is probably an aftermath effect of said event. Like relativistic jets, Dust is pulled into and propelled from some kind of singularities or rifts.