Nasarog wrote:

Yup, now, if we only had a clear timeline, and also something connecting ES1 to ES2 more clearly.

My understanding is that ES2 is a reboot of sorts, that ES1 had not happened, and inspires the re-events of ES2.

MiDan wrote:

Fun thought: Horatio is the player in DOTE. He authored the journals, influenced the team loadout, and is canonically present but not a hero. He's shown healing the team in the comic (which the player can do directly) and a super-genius like Horatio would see the "overview" of the situation. He's smart enough to stay out of trouble, so that's why he's effectively invisible (he wouldn't consider himself a pawn on the board). The player also joins the team after the crash, not during.

Or was this totally the implication and I'm just stating the obvious?

You are stating the obvious, in retrospect. Now that you finally figured it out, it seems so easy. It totally makes sense and explains like all the questions. 

MiDan wrote:

Fun thought: Horatio is the player in DOTE. He authored the journals, influenced the team loadout, and is canonically present but not a hero. He's shown healing the team in the comic (which the player can do directly) and a super-genius like Horatio would see the "overview" of the situation. He's smart enough to stay out of trouble, so that's why he's effectively invisible (he wouldn't consider himself a pawn on the board). The player also joins the team after the crash, not during.

Or was this totally the implication and I'm just stating the obvious?

I'm gonna lay awake at night and think about this

1. This is the implication. 

2. But I would not call it stating the obvious ;)  We were pretty vague with the hints!

-Slow

Haha, I just got back from a few-week break. I love that /thread dropped at the end. Thank you Slow! So much appreciation here!

Yup, now, if we only had a clear timeline, and also something connecting ES1 to ES2 more clearly.

So since we are talking about Horatio, it is quite clear that Horatio Prime wins at the end of the quest and succesfully tricks Four who up to that point was the narrator, right?  Or did I misunderstand the quest line?

Horatio was actually one of the better written questlines imo (best one is United Empire imo).

This I am curious to know too. The ending is left ambiguous (I believe both are alive at the end vying for the power when I went through the non military path where you don't kill Five). But then again, it has been a while since I played as Horatio..

MiDan wrote:

Fun thought: Horatio is the player in DOTE. He authored the journals, influenced the team loadout, and is canonically present but not a hero. He's shown healing the team in the comic (which the player can do directly) and a super-genius like Horatio would see the "overview" of the situation. He's smart enough to stay out of trouble, so that's why he's effectively invisible (he wouldn't consider himself a pawn on the board). The player also joins the team after the crash, not during.

Or was this totally the implication and I'm just stating the obvious?

....you know I haven't thought of this.

Shit....I played as Horatio at some point. 

Suis3i wrote:

Honestly, I can’t tell if this post (@WeLoveYou) is being serious ot a massive shitpost

It is actually fucking great though.  More interesting than if it were just clones.

However, if we stick to canon, I do think most Horatio clones would suffer from a depersonalization disorder, and potentially in severe cases a dissociative personality disorder.  And while Horatio Prime certainly has severe narcissism, all other Horatios who are bound by effectively a class system based on 'imperfections' are pretty much going to end up with borderline personality disorders all over the place.

WeLoveYou wrote:

The actual, indisputable, but lesser known lore for Horatio:

Officially Horatio uses cloning technology to make versions of himself, married with genetic alterations on a massive scale to improve himself and others. LIES AND HALF TRUTHS.

The so-called cloning technology is a myth. With Endless technology, the actual process using trans-world Meinong jungle fissures generates small impossibilities within the universe focussed in such a way to create anti-indiscernability of identity fields. The result is, in effect, that a single object, or being, can be located in multiple times and places at once. By implementing this technology on a mass scale, there is still technically only one Horatio in the entire galaxy, that simply occupies many places at once. This has the advantage that any genetic manipulations need only be carried out on one single being. That being Horatio. Use of biological matter allows for the fuelling and expansion of the process, such that more food means more Horatio. Any seeming differences between a Horatio at different space time points is either a result of B-Series temporal differences, illusionary, or a deliberate attempt to hide what could be an extremely powerful weapon or tool used by anyone other than Horatio. The unfortunate, though somewhat predictable, side effect of industrial scale use for an individual is a form of depersonalisation disorder as the result of multiple encounters, conversations, dinners, and disagreements, with themselves

With this obvious, and clearly true version of Horatio lore, which will never be disputed by anyone, including the writers. The answer to the question of who is who, and who survives at the end of the Horatio story line is clear. The answer is - Horatio.

F***K never,, ever I would suspect this by only reading ES1&2 quests lore. Amazing!!!

That's because it's made up by Horatio's enemies. Only they would pretend that Horatio is in many places, for that way they imply you need only kill him once.

Don't even try.

Frogsquadron wrote:

That's because it's made up by Horatio's enemies. Only they would pretend that Horatio is in many places, for that way they imply you need only kill him once.

Don't even try.

Anselm's fifth law of thermodynamics - you can't kill perfection.

XD this thread XD

MiDan wrote:

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Awesome! This has given me a new appreciation for Dungeon of the Endless and Horatio in general, haha.

But it does make me anxious about what other secrets you've tucked away that we haven't noticed yet!

P.S. Did I get the job...? :P

By definition, we could never tell you what other secrets might be hidden away. That would kill all the fun of it :)

-Slow