Can someone explain me what this trait actually do ?

I don't get it

When your system doesn't have full capacity and there is no enemy on the orbit, it starts to regenerate some of its manpower from the stock each turn. As I understand your system regenerate 2 more each turn for each Hissho pop.

ourg wrote:

So totaly useless since the system troop refill in 2 ou 3 turn max on others factions

I am actually not sure, mb I just forgot and it regenerates under siege, than that would be cool! Haven't played Hissho for a while mb like since middle of the beta.

It looks like this trait is just not functioning as intended. In previous patches Tikanan who have similar effect (+5 Manpower capacity on system defense per turn per pop) added trait's value to a system defense max capacity per turn.

Well, then someone compile his findings and put up a bug report.

Yeah the Hissho trait is defense recovery, not strict manpower.  Essentially it means that unless your opponent is absolutely committed to taking a system and has not only the ships, but also the siege and manpower modules to do it in one go, then your system will recover more quickly with higher population.

Hello,

The implementation of this specific population trait was indeed not as it should have been.  It will be replaced by a +5 max manpower capacity on the system in a future patch.

Have a nice day :) 

Schell wrote:

Hello,

The implementation of this specific population trait was indeed not as it should have been.  It will be replaced by a +5 max manpower capacity on the system in a future patch.

Have a nice day :) 

Note that Tikanan trait (+5 max manpower capacity per turn, +5 max manpower capacity per turn on Fertile) is not functioning properly atm too. 

Schell wrote:

Hello,

The implementation of this specific population trait was indeed not as it should have been.  It will be replaced by a +5 max manpower capacity on the system in a future patch.

Have a nice day :) 

Can't you, please, implement this specific population trait, as it was supposed to be, rather than just a +5 max manpower?  Oh, and while you're at it, please also sort out the Tikanan trait to what that is supposed to be, too....  thank you :)

Hello,

Thanks once again for the feedback.  Welp, seems like you are quite a few to feel pretty strongly about this.  Up until now we've tried to avoid giving a straight bonus to manpower production since we thought it alleviated to effect of the food to manpower conversion but the Hisshos might deserve it.  We'll be changing the effect to +1 empire manpower production per turn.

BadBecauseMad wrote:

Note that Tikanan trait (+5 max manpower capacity per turn, +5 max manpower capacity per turn on Fertile) is not functioning properly atm too. 

The Tikanan trait was the same as the previous version of the Hissho.  This basically means that the system will generate 5 units of manpower to fill the system reserve (without taking those from the global pool) each turn as long as said reserve is empty.  This is functionning as intended (the effect was a bit weak for a major faction such as the Hissho but for the Tikanan, it's good enough).

Have a nice day :)

System manpower has no restriction on how quickly it can take from empire reserves, so an ability which increases the manpower production of the system only until its full is useless.

If I have a 300 capacity system which is empty, 300 Manpower in Empire reserves, and +20 System Manpower being produced each turn from Hissho, I'm only gonna save 20 Manpower because 280 Empire Manpower is going to flood in. Similarly, Guardian heroes reference increasing the Fleet Refill rate, but in my experience if you have the Manpower to fill a fleet, it will fill the fleet that turn.

There is no maximum "rate" at which a system or fleet refills, even though there are abilities which reference such a rate. If you have the Empire Reserves to refill something, it will be refilled. An ability which restores Manpower on a System only helps if the Empire Reserves are near empty and working at a production deficit as a result.

In order for these mechanics to make sense, Empire Manpower would need to be restricted as to how much a system or fleet can receive each turn regardless of current reserves. These traits would be useful if the game actually worked the way the traits seem to think it works.

I think perhaps a new icon for "system defenses" or "manpower" may be in order; it seems those are easily confused.  System defense is the little globe and guy next to it; actual manpower is the three guys overlapping.  The two are NOT exactly the same thing; I understood the trait to restore system defense more quickly with no actual effect on your empire manpower.  Still not the greatest of population bonuses, but it served a purpose at least.

Hello,

BadBecauseMad wrote:

But that's not how it functioned before (it added to system's max manpower capacity - and that was really good and strong trait imo). Am i understanding right that it changed (for Tikanan) with Hissho update and works differently and as intended now? Gotta say just refilling feels pretty mediocre.

I've checked the data (and the Wiki just to make sure) and it's apparently been like this from the start (the last modification I could find was a bug fix from September 2017).  

IceGremlin wrote:

In order for these mechanics to make sense, Empire Manpower would need to be restricted as to how much a system or fleet can receive each turn regardless of current reserves. These traits would be useful if the game actually worked the way the traits seem to think it works.

While weak I wouldn't say that those traits are useless since you do get some free manpower to refill your system.  The issue might be more that the amount granted isn't large enough. Anyway, we'll keep it in mind and see if we can do something about this at some point.

Schell wrote:

I've checked the data (and the Wiki just to make sure) and it's apparently been like this from the start (the last modification I could find was a bug fix from September 2017).

Looks like u're right, sir. I'm very confused right now cuz i can clearly member how it worked as i say and i even loaded previous patch to check it out absolutely confident that i'm right, but apparently i'm not (it works as you say). Thank you for your patience and answers, and sorry for any inconvenience/confusion. I must've played Horatio for too long and become delusional :D