So totaly useless since the system troop refill in 1 turn if you have the manpower

I think it's more regenerate under siege, wich would be very op since you can negate siege effect.

I will test to see if it's the case

Hello,

The effect is as mamarider said, increased generation of manpower on your system when you're not at full capacity.   It keeps being useful afterward since the manpower generated on your system will go to your empire manpower once it's full.

It's pretty unclear. The icon on hissho trait is not manpower, it's defense system troop. I can't see how i could be usefull since the system troop refill in 1 turn.

This is so confusing. Why not tagging it directly +2 manpower ?

Schell wrote:

Hello,

The effect is as mamarider said, increased generation of manpower on your system when you're not at full capacity.   It keeps being useful afterward since the manpower generated on your system will go to your empire manpower once it's full.

OH is that how you think it works ?

because according to the in-game UI that extra manpower goes nowhere once the system is full 

ex from my game in progress 

220.8 + 21.2 + 9.1 + 13.1 + 6.5 + 5.5 = 276.2

on the left ar the food to manpower numbers read for my systems (hover system food)

on the right is the +276.2 manpower from systems . (hover empire manpower icon) Perfect match. 

All systems are reasonably filled (plenty of hissio) among them and at MAX manpower. But none of that is going into the empire reserve manpower bucket ..

hence the BUG report 

https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forums/114-bug-reports/threads/31264-lots-of-manpower-production-ui-only-bugs-and-some-other-manpower-mechanics-related-questions?page=1#post-268297

I have tested It doesn't work when under siege. 

In addiation i had 2 systems. One with +27 per turn from hissho trait pop et the other +34.

But when my systems were full, my global manpower was regenerating only at +37

According this +37 is only from food, the bonus from hissho trait doesn't count.

So this trait is the most useless pop trait in the game

Savv3 wrote:

Well, then someone compile his findings and put up a bug report.

peddroelm wrote:

Schell wrote:

Hello,

The effect is as mamarider said, increased generation of manpower on your system when you're not at full capacity.   It keeps being useful afterward since the manpower generated on your system will go to your empire manpower once it's full.

OH is that how you think it works ?

because according to the in-game UI that extra manpower goes nowhere once the system is full 

ex from my game in progress 

220.8 + 21.2 + 9.1 + 13.1 + 6.5 + 5.5 = 276.2

on the left ar the food to manpower numbers read for my systems (hover system food)

on the right is the +276.2 manpower from systems . (hover empire manpower icon) Perfect match. 

All systems are reasonably filled (plenty of hissio) among them and at MAX manpower. But none of that is going into the empire reserve manpower bucket ..

hence the BUG report 

https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forums/114-bug-reports/threads/31264-lots-of-manpower-production-ui-only-bugs-and-some-other-manpower-mechanics-related-questions?page=1#post-268297

 

Schell wrote:

Hello,

The implementation of this specific population trait was indeed not as it should have been.  It will be replaced by a +5 max manpower capacity on the system in a future patch.

Have a nice day :) 

Not certain that is not seriously worse !  Speaking from my horatio experience .. splicing races that provide +to system manpower capacity is not to be done early : means - EVERY TURN WHEN YOU GAIN Hissio in your empire you tigger food to manpower conversion. Every turn - even when not building ships/ aquring new colonies - 1 of the systems is not at full manpower because somewhere in the wide empire one or move went +5 capacity  it triggers the food to manpower component in the system food output [giant waste of food/growth] .. Mixed with the increases to food to manpower conversion system improvments will means some systems will starve/ grow  very slowly because the food to manpower conversion NEVER GOES AWAY ..   Please don't do this :)

Manpower traits be it in resources or pops are just not worth it imo and need looking at.It is very easy to restock so why would you ever use it in development levels.

Schell wrote:

The Tikanan trait was the same as the previous version of the Hissho.  This basically means that the system will generate 5 units of manpower to fill the system reserve (without taking those from the global pool) each turn as long as said reserve is empty.  This is functionning as intended (the effect was a bit weak for a major faction such as the Hissho but for the Tikanan, it's good enough).

But that's not how it functioned before (it added to system's max manpower capacity - and that was really good and strong trait imo). Am i understanding right that it changed (for Tikanan) with Hissho update and works differently and as intended now? Gotta say just refilling feels pretty mediocre.