MaximusBeautifier wrote:

A simple combinatory tree should do the trick. Each combination of parties results in a single "Alliance Agenda Card" with preset costs of diplomacy, hence your idea comes into motion.

For example: Let's say you're in an alliace of 4.

2 militarist, 1 pacifist, 1 industrialist

That combination tells that half of your alliance is inclined to war and domination, and you have 1/4 inclined to peace and trade, 1/4 inclined to production.

Now that we have specific parameters for this specific alliance,  it's a matter of playing with numbers.

•  -50% costs of war
• +75% costs of peace and truce
• -25% influence costs for each trade agreements
• -25% influence costs for each active trade of strategic resources 

2 pacifist, 1 scientifc, 1 ecologist

• +100% costs of war
• -75% costs of peace and truce
• -25% influence costs for each active science agreement 
• -25% influence costs for each active trade of luxury resources

etc.

The concept of representing each Faction in an alliance with a political party is a pretty cool concept! Having Alliance-wide laws, policies, or anything of that sort could be an awesome addition onto this type of system.

MaximusBeautifier wrote:

PARAdoxiBLE wrote:

MaximusBeautifier wrote:

That will only force Alliances to be passive most of the time, when we should be inducing the common interests that forged that Alliance in the first place.

I agree that having a vote system would require a change in the AI program from the scratch.

But if we avail the political system that already exists, and use those to create an Alliance Agenda, and then make our diplomatic costs based on that agenda, the AI wouldn't even need to be touched.

Even if they were to just change stats and costs, an update patch would be necessary. That is technically a minor rework effort being spent anyways. It would be worth it to add a simple subroutine and solve this issue. 

But not sure how alliance agenda would work. How would you link 6 parties to various diplomatic options?

A simple combinatory tree should do the trick. Each combination of parties results in a single "Alliance Agenda Card" with preset costs of diplomacy, hence your idea comes into motion.

For example: Let's say you're in an alliace of 4.

2 militarist, 1 pacifist, 1 industrialist

That combination tells that half of your alliance is inclined to war and domination, and you have 1/4 inclined to peace and trade, 1/4 inclined to production.

Now that we have specific parameters for this specific alliance,  it's a matter of playing with numbers.

•  -50% costs of war
• +75% costs of peace and truce
• -25% influence costs for each trade agreements
• -25% influence costs for each active trade of strategic resources 

2 pacifist, 1 scientifc, 1 ecologist

• +100% costs of war
• -75% costs of peace and truce
• -25% influence costs for each active science agreement 
• -25% influence costs for each active trade of luxury resources

etc.

I really like this idea, using the political parties to influence alliance decisions rather than a hard vote seems cool. It'd both make politics more important and slide a more nuanced, unpredictable element into the system. You could also totally disrupt entire alliances via hacking this way- changing someone's political party would mess up the alliance balance.

Krogandoctor, personal attacks like that are not acceptable on the Games2Gether forum.

Sublustris was voicing his opinions about the game in an admittedly blunt manner, and I admit the phrase "foolish and nonsensical" could be seen as directed specifically at you, and was an uncalled for turn of expression even if it was not directed at anybody, but the tone you have been choosing in the last few posts is by far more aggressive than any implied slight in his original message. This exchange between the two of you has long moved from a disagreement into an outright quarrel involving open insults, and that is not conducive to a fruitful discussion, so I ask you both to focus on the topic of the thread instead of this quarrel.

If this discussion cannot return to a civil tone, it will need to be locked, which I would really rather avoid.

MaximusBeautifier wrote:

A simple combinatory tree should do the trick. Each combination of parties results in a single "Alliance Agenda Card" with preset costs of diplomacy, hence your idea comes into motion.

For example: Let's say you're in an alliace of 4.

2 militarist, 1 pacifist, 1 industrialist

That combination tells that half of your alliance is inclined to war and domination, and you have 1/4 inclined to peace and trade, 1/4 inclined to production.

Now that we have specific parameters for this specific alliance,  it's a matter of playing with numbers.

•  -50% costs of war
• +75% costs of peace and truce
• -25% influence costs for each trade agreements
• -25% influence costs for each active trade of strategic resources 

2 pacifist, 1 scientifc, 1 ecologist

• +100% costs of war
• -75% costs of peace and truce
• -25% influence costs for each active science agreement 
• -25% influence costs for each active trade of luxury resources

etc.

Someone try to submit this idea, to see how is it popular ?

Amplitude said they are going to disable new submissions.

Elphealer wrote:

MaximusBeautifier wrote:

A simple combinatory tree should do the trick. Each combination of parties results in a single "Alliance Agenda Card" with preset costs of diplomacy, hence your idea comes into motion.

For example: Let's say you're in an alliace of 4.

2 militarist, 1 pacifist, 1 industrialist

That combination tells that half of your alliance is inclined to war and domination, and you have 1/4 inclined to peace and trade, 1/4 inclined to production.

Now that we have specific parameters for this specific alliance,  it's a matter of playing with numbers.

•  -50% costs of war
• +75% costs of peace and truce
• -25% influence costs for each trade agreements
• -25% influence costs for each active trade of strategic resources 

2 pacifist, 1 scientifc, 1 ecologist

• +100% costs of war
• -75% costs of peace and truce
• -25% influence costs for each active science agreement 
• -25% influence costs for each active trade of luxury resources

etc.

Someone try to submit this idea, to see how is it popular ?

I already created an IDEA topic here: https://www.games2gether.com/amplitude-studios/endless-space-2/ideas/2532-affordable-alliance-diplomacy-changes