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The Direction of Endless Space 2

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8 years ago
Nov 22, 2016, 3:15:31 PM
EndlessYouth wrote:

As much as I adore the first Endless Space, it's their baby, to make whatever decisions they wish. If you don't like it, don't support them. But don't post some big dumb rant about how the entire game industry is out to screw you.

With that kind of attitude, why even bother with an Early Access, Alpha or Beta?


That attitude suits with early 20th century, quote from Ford:

"Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black. ''



Because they actually do incorporate feedback from the community into the game. And no it is not a 1:1 implementation of every idea or objection that comes from the community, how could it be... The community is not a homogeneous entity with identical tastes. In the end they can only do their best, weighing the sometimes contradicting suggestions and complaints of the community towards the overall vision and scope of the game. This vision of the game is what is in essence their baby and the before mentioned weighing of what goes into the game is theirs to make. I personally think they have shown they actually listen to the community. They have posted and updated GDD for us to comment on and they have announced changes to game mechanics/features based on community feedback. So it being there baby is not equal to them not listening to us. There are bound to be people who are disappointing with the end result and those who feel it has already steered to far away from ES1. Even if you feel like chances are low they will listen to you, you can frame your suggestions,complaints and frustrations with the game in a civil manner and refrain from unsubstantiated claims and outbursts. And if you are indeed a my way or the highway kinda person, you are welcome to take the highway.

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Nov 22, 2016, 6:24:33 PM
EndlessYouth wrote:

As much as I adore the first Endless Space, it's their baby, to make whatever decisions they wish. If you don't like it, don't support them. But don't post some big dumb rant about how the entire game industry is out to screw you.

With that kind of attitude, why even bother with an Early Access, Alpha or Beta?


That attitude suits with early 20th century, quote from Ford:

"Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black. ''

Why have Early Access, Alpha, Beta? Let's see: Developer support, locating bugs, useful feedback? I wasn't aware that Early Access was there to cater a game specific to your own wishes, or so one can use the developer as a punching bag.


Dawn of War III has me nervous, because I loved the first, and hated the second. If the third doesn't do it for me, rather than rant and rave at them to change it, I will contribute. If the game still doesn't change, that's fine, they just won't get my money. That's how the world works. I don't necessarily like every automotive decisions either - vote with your wallet. I can also think of another quote from dear old Henry: If I asked people what they wanted, they'd have asked for a faster horse.

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8 years ago
Nov 22, 2016, 8:38:56 PM
I wasn't aware that Early Access was there to cater a game specific to your own wishes, or so one can use the developer as a punching bag.


If the third doesn't do it for me, rather than rant and rave at them to change it, I will contribute.

Romeo and Andrea,


The problem with you guys is that you are like sheep, you will accept anything that's given. That's probably part of you culture, your personality, to be obedient, keep your head down. Do not criticize, especially those in power.

Maybe that works in your life. 


However take a look around in this post, a large part of the ES1 community expressed their concerns, some with more heat than others.

This post is the contribution, not just standing-by idle and looking how things are going awry.


Everybody has an opinion, but I think what you guys contribute is confusion.



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Nov 22, 2016, 10:14:37 PM
EndlessYouth wrote:
I wasn't aware that Early Access was there to cater a game specific to your own wishes, or so one can use the developer as a punching bag.


If the third doesn't do it for me, rather than rant and rave at them to change it, I will contribute.

Romeo and Andrea,


The problem with you guys is that you are like sheep, you will accept anything that's given. That's probably part of you culture, your personality, to be obedient, keep your head down. Do not criticize, especially those in power.

Maybe that works in your life. 


However take a look around in this post, a large part of the ES1 community expressed their concerns, some with more heat than others.

This post is the contribution, not just standing-by idle and looking how things are going awry.


Everybody has an opinion, but I think what you guys contribute is confusion.



Take a long hard look at the way you voiced you critic then compare it to the way most others did. I hope you can spot the difference. This is not about not criticizing people in power as you frame it. You included attacks on character that where unfounded.


Edit: btw you do not need to be overly diplomatic/apologetic in your critic but your "I am just being honest and doing everybody a favor routine" is taking it way to far...

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Nov 22, 2016, 11:13:03 PM

However take a look around in this post, a large part of the ES1 community expressed their concerns, some with more heat than others.

This post is the contribution, not just standing-by idle and looking how things are going awry.


Everybody has an opinion, but I think what you guys contribute is confusion.


Last narrative contest had 7.010.700 G2G points in participation, from players interested in ES2. This post, while having a huge amount (354k) does not represent a large portion of the player base. I am fine with the direction, because I like the responses from the Devs for this alpha of their game, and while you may say some of us are standing-by dile and looking how things are going awry, that may not be an acurate representation of the current status

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Nov 23, 2016, 12:01:29 AM

I still don't understand why freedom for module assignment couldn't be an option along with pre-built loadouts.  ES1 had plenty of freedom for those who wanted to experiment with different hulls, but had no good option for people who would rather just pick a pre-designed ship.  I, for one, have specific ships I build with the different ES1 factions and no two factions share the same design philosophies.  This was a very good system for people who didn't mind spending time on experimentation.  I also know a handful of people who found the ship design time-intensive and frustrating.  Why not have options for both instead of building an either/or system?

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Nov 23, 2016, 1:29:41 AM

Again, update is coming tomorow, there will be balance changes I think (I do not know). People should wait and see.


Some of you are just critisizing in circle right now : just post your ideas and see if this works.

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Nov 23, 2016, 9:02:17 AM

This thread was left open because we believe in the community's potential to moderate itself (despite some rather distasteful words here and there).


This seems not to be the case in this thread, so allow me to put the record straight: a fair amount of the negative feedback we've received in this thread stems from a lack of communication (early pages of the thread) and some specific issues with the game (later pages). The specific issues are for the immense majority already being addressed, and present either on the road map or in specific threads.


If you feel that you're being left out of your own discussion on a topic that's important to you, it's on us and we apologize and will strive to do better. This is never, however, a blank check to have a go at either the team or other community members that don't share your opinion.


I'm closing this thread and inviting you to participate in either the relevant threads in the General and Game Design forums, or the Ideas section.

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