I never win with the Economic Victory!

...Because I turn it off. You're right, it's a stupidly easy (And hollow) way to win. I don't ever focus on winning any way except for annihilation, and even I was getting mystery wins from the Economic one.

d0pl wrote:

I always turn off the econ victory because it's bullcrap anyway. If you have all that dust you can do something with it and and try to win normally. Now let me brag about my turn 110 science win on normal speed. 

I agree. Economic wealth is a latent power that doesn't mean anything if it's not being used. If the USA had simply sat on its huge latent economic power during WW2 instead of converting it to production, the world would be a very different place.

Ideally (although I can't see this happening with release this soon), Economic Victory would be tied to a set of specific goals. Something like maintaining a minimum number of trade routes with other factions for X amount of time. That would give you an incentive to keep other factions alive; the exact opposite of conquest. Or a set of difficult goals towards forming a Galactic Bank (just another form of Wonder, basically). Whatever the design, it should be something you have to specifically aim for, with trade-offs against other victory conditions. And also a clear target to attack (like those trade routes) if you see another faction nearing an Economic Victory. Not something that just happens automatically once you power up enough dust production.

I always turn off the econ victory because it's bullcrap anyway. If you have all that dust you can do something with it and and try to win normally. Now let me brag about my turn 110 science win on normal speed. 

I've had my relentless purging of the galaxy rudely interrupted by economic victory nearly 100% of the time. The only time I didn't win an economic victory was... when I didn't finish a full game.

I thought I was the only one. Thank goodness. This needs serious rebalancing.

As the Lumeris, I'm getting the eco victory warning at turn 100. Wonder isnt as hard as science, science victory takes forever.

In a neighbouring thread it says how difficult the Wonder victory is so looks like there is definitely some balancing that needs doing.

IF you are up for it you can make a change to one of the files to make it more difficult.  In the Simulations folder of the game folder, make a backup copy of the file, "SimulationDescriptors[Victory].xml" and store it somewhere safe.  Now open the file in the Simulations folder.   Scroll down and you'll see  <Property Name="VictoryEconomyDustThreshold"            BaseValue="450000"/> .   That's how much dust you have to earn to win. You can change it to no more than "999999".   Also if you are playing in fast mode, if you scroll down you will see that the threshold for victory is 75% of base value, which is why it is easier to win.  Galaxy size also affects the victory threshold values for a game.

Economic victory is way too easy!  I agree.  On normal pace I've won by turn 108.  I barely won a conquest victory the game before.  They need to increase the amount of dust, and allowing you to pick which victory is achievable in a game would be great.  One of things I like about Galactic Civ 3, it has options in setup which victories are available.