plutar wrote:

So replaceing fighters and bombers with beams 10x'ed your damage done and reduced losses to zero... Thanks Yertyl, doesn't get much more cut and dry than that.

He. Actually, if we assume the damage of the other ships/components was roughly similar, the damage went from 1k for the bombers and 12k for the rest to 12k for the rest and 28-12=16k for the equivalent beam slots. So yeah, in this case,replacing bombers with beams ups the damage of the slot by factor 16! I didn't save the numers for the last fight for direct comparison for fighters, and they get a bit more distorted as the damage is capped when all enemy ships are blown up, but considering how little the fighters did in the first two battles I assume it's even worse for them.

Fighting small ships is obviously not optimal for bombers, but these values are a bit insane, and nowhere close to the similar damage values to beams (for small ships) stated in the ship builder.

IceGremlin wrote:

It sounds like if Beams beat everything, the answer isn't necessarily to buff everything else, but just debuff Beams. We don't want the average damage in battles too high or there'll be no continuity between them cause one side will always die completely.

I don't think damage values are generally too high; this was a battle of 10CP of more advanced ships versus 7CP, the latter of which had the wrong (projectile) armor. It should be a decisive victory. Beams/lasers indeed feel a bit too strong currently, but IMO by perhaps 20%, not these insane 1600%, and I assume rockets will become more worthwhile once projectile flak is nerfed.

You would think fighters, particularly advanced fighters could stop some bombers? Well, you can't really explain it better than a screen shot of the outcome. One of a few

Kynrael wrote:

Looks like 70% Offense for fighters on the right. So there are only three squadrons left in defense for 6 attacking bombers. At least some of the bombers should have been destroyed, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Do you have a save of before the battle?

Does the greyed out bomber symbol not mean the bombers have been destroyed? It looks more like they were destroyed too slowly than not at all.

Hull platng is % reduction so it would show at least more than 1 damage not literally 0. 

All the ships were at 100% health at the start of combat.

Also like I mentioned the ships had no other weapons and even no defensive modules like armor. It was literally only fighters/bombers and engines and nothing else.

You can easily replicate this battle and test it yourself.

Here is a scenario where we have 6 medium slots of advanced bombers vs 6 medium slots of advanced fighters. No heroes or other weapons of any kind.

As you can see the bombers still manage to do very heavy damage before being killed by the fighters.

This shows clearly that fighters are not an effective defense vs bombers at all.

Their damage needs to be increased massively.

One slot of fighters should counter more than one slot of bombers. Otherwise there is absolutely no reason to take them.

Why waste a weapon slot for something that does 0 damage to enemy when it doesn't even protect you at all from a single enemy bomber slot and you still take massive damage.

The expected outcome of this battle should be near 0 damage done to the defender with fighters not this farce below.

Gzar wrote:

In this case tactic for fighters doesn't matter. If there are bombers present they will always prioritize hunting them over attacking no matter the tactic.

You can see they did exactly 0 damage to ships which means they were busy with bombers all battle.

Then what does the tactic do (in terms of percent of fighters on defense/offense)? I thought the whole point was that it was supposed to determine how fighters behaved?

The tactics determine the split between how many of your fighters will stay on defense and attack enemy bombers and how many will go on escort your bombers. If you have no bombers to escort however (like this case) all fighters will hunt enemy bombers no matter the tactic.

That picture would indicate that the Bombers all died after having killed 2 Carriers and 6 Fighters doing some 25K damage before the Fight ended. It seems the "zero" damage the Fighters list is simply a case of not getting to the enemy carriers (primary goal) after finally knocking out ALL of the 6 Bombers. Given the 2 Barrage Fire cards in play, that does not look at all that strange an outcome given the 3 stage battle plans issued...