Oh god, this is embarassing. How could I forget to change the name of RuntimeModule? 

<RuntimeModule Name="KaizenWorkflows" Type="Extension" Version="1.0.0">

This should've beed first thing that I had to think about, but I was so captured by my ideas I went directly to simulation and completely forgot about it.

Of course the game sees only one of them in the order of which folders appear, so when they called KaizenOffice and KaizenWorkflows it's Office appearing, and when it's KaizenOffice and 1129577679 it's latter because of alphabetical order.

Please, have these two humble offerings here: KaizenOffice.zip, KaizenWorkflows.zip

Sorry, I won't have the time to look into this issue further today! I'll try to look at it tomorrow! :(

Oh, forgive me if I was too annoying or pushy. Please consider my thread as an ask for favor which you could assist in when you have time, it's not like I make requests with deadlines or something like that. Honestly, the rate of which you answer already surpassed my wildest expectations and I would've been happy with 1 post in 1-2 days. Of course, I would like to thank you wholeheartedly for all your attention and support, it is really helpful, I have much better understanding of how things work now than couple of days ago. Have a good time.

Oh don't worry about it :)

I'll try to have a look tomorrow!

So, well, here's the thing - if I copy entire folder from Steam\steamapps\workshop\content\392110\ and don't touch it's name 1129577679 - the mod begins to appear at "Local" tab in Main Menu -> MODS. So I provide it here 1129577679.zip . But the moment I rename it manually to KaizenWorkflows it disappears. Just what the hell is going on there.. 

I haven't looked yet but I think there's something weird going on with Kaizen Office because now, I have Kaizen Wrokflows but Kaizen Office disappeared so you should check if they don't conflict due to something you'd have forgotten to change? (I presume you started Kaizen Office from a copy of Workflows or something, but I could be wrong haha)

Your logic would work for tangible resources that can be stocked, like Dust, because you stock it and proc on it on the next turn.

Industry is simply a composition of values. So if I have 100 Industry then I build a +20 Industry building, I have 120. If I end the turn without adding anything else, I will still have 120 next turn, not 140.

Same goes for percentages: if I have 100 and add a building that adds +50% I will have 150. Next turn, I will still have +50% so 150 and not 225.

Does that make any sense to you? :)

I had a minute so I took a quick look at it: from what I've seen the whole issue seems to revolve around the fact that Kaizen Workflows "externalizes" its permanent effect since it needs to stay when you remove the thing from the queue.

However, I think Office only procs the effects "internally".

Have you tried having a Property on the System and not on the Building that is incremented by the effect of the Building and then applied to the System Industry?

Something like that:

Then you'd have to find a way to reset the stocked increase value if you scrap the Improvement so it stops affecting your system but having it work the way you want would already be a nice first step.

So, is this the final verdict: I can't make identical effect of KW on a constructed building (KO) and should stick to previous variations without overwriting descriptors etc.?

Also, ofc I do care, but there wasn't the need to add prerequisites and balanced cost (it costs only 1 production to construcs atm) if the whole thing doesn't work :D

You can't have KW and KO activated at the same time, because they both overwrite ColonizedStarSystemStateColony descriptor, so one cancels the other. This was an issue back in the days with other mods that overwrite same descriptor

I should have said "you don't care *yet*" ^^

It's not a final verdict. I wouldn't claim to be enough of an expert to be adamant on the fact there's no alternative solution.

However, you might want to stick with a scope you know you can do with the time you have on your hands and do something a tad less ambitious but which works well, polished and debugged.

However, I don't want to discourage you from attempting to get the results you want! It's always good to try something new and learn by doing!

Cheers!

Thanks a lot for all your help. I guess at this point I'll have to disappoint the person requested specific variation of KW because of all these problems, but it was very interesting and insightful, I probably will make some other stuff with what I learned in the process. Thanks again for all your time, attention and support. 

Sorry I couldn't help you get the results you wanted :(

Hey :)

I've taken a quick look into this and here's what I've found:

NetDustOverTime is the Property whose value controls the amount of Dust gained per turn. It is affected by the GameSpeedTimeMultiplier on the Empire.

DustOverTimeStock is what is actually added to the System Dust. 

If you look at the path in the Empire you will see that it uses ClassEmpire/ClassColonizedStarSystem/StarSystemImprovementUniqueTimeLords which means the Properties you're looking for are found on the improvement within a System. Maybe your path was incorrect?

I also notice that the Resource DustOverTime can be found in ResourceDefinitions.xml and has a location pointing to the improvement itself:

LocationPath="ClassEmpire/ClassColonizedStarSystem/StarSystemImprovementUniqueTimeLords"/>

So you might want it experiment with that too, since a Resource can have multiple LocationPath.

I hope this helps you somehow!

If you have more questions don't hesitate I'll try my best to answer them.

Cheers,

@WeaponizedCaffeine

Thank you for your response. May I ask a favor of explaining what

<SimulationDescriptor Name="BuildingStarSystemImprovementUniqueTimeLords" Type="BuildingStarSystemImprovement"/>

and

<QueuedSimulationDescriptorReference Name="BuildingStarSystemImprovementUniqueTimeLords"/>

are needed for?

I think that BuildingStarSystemImprovementUniqueTimeLords is a descriptor that is used to tag when an Improvement is being built, useful for preventing Unique Improvements from being queued in multiple Systems.

QueuedSimulationDescriptorReference is used to apply the SimulationDescriptor when the Improvement is queued, that is the checked here:

<InterpreterPrerequisite Inverted="true"    Flags="Prerequisite,Discard">Path(Context,@'../ClassEmpire/ClassStarSystem,BuildingStarSystemImprovementUniqueTimeLords') and not(Path(Context,@'ClassStarSystem,BuildingStarSystemImprovementUniqueTimeLords'))</InterpreterPrerequisite>

Does that make sense? :)

@WeaponizedCaffeine

It perfectly does, thank you. My first problem was indeed with wrong path inside my resource. I didn't really saw any description in the tutorial that "QueuedSimulationDescriptorReference" used for queue, I assume I had to understand that from the context (but it was somewhat hard for me, honestly). Is there a way where someone who is not the dev can get that kind of information (and about other properties/descriptors/mechanics, like that the game understands adding "Net" to the property name will be used to increase the value of that property)? Maybe I'm missing something, or using mod tutorial in the wrong way? 

Anyway, what I did now is: 

I have SimulationDescriptors.xml with

<SimulationDescriptor Name="StarSystemImprovementKaizenOffice" Type="StarSystemImprovement">
  <Property Name="MinimumKaizenOfficeIndustry" BaseValue="0"/>
  <Property Name="KaizenOfficeIndustryStock" />
  <Property Name="NetKaizenOfficeIndustry" BaseValue="1"/>
  <BinaryModifier TargetProperty="SystemProduction"              Operation="Addition" Left="0"   BinaryOperation="Addition"  Right="$(KaizenOfficeIndustryStock)" Path="./ClassColonizedStarSystem"  />
</SimulationDescriptor>

StarSystemImprovements.xml with

<StarSystemImprovementDefinition Name="StarSystemImprovementKaizenOffice">
<SupervisorGain Name="Industry"       Weight="3"  />
<Cost ResourceName="SystemProduction">1</Cost>
<SimulationDescriptorReference Name="StarSystemImprovementKaizenOffice" />
</StarSystemImprovementDefinition>

and ResourceDefinitions.xml with

<ResourceDefinition Name="KaizenOfficeIndustry" Type="Common">
<ResourceLocation Name="KaizenOfficeIndustry" LocationPath="ClassEmpire/ClassColonizedStarSystem/StarSystemImprovementKaizenOffice"/>
</ResourceDefinition>

So, what it does right now is: improvement is built and starts adding +1 industry to the system per turn beginning from the next turn as expected (so I'm very grateful for your previous help). 

What I'm trying to achieve now is that that increase would be equal to the 1% of the current system production. I added BinaryModifier to the NetKaizenOfficeIndustry  inside SimulationDescriptors.xml and changed it's BaseValue to "0" like this: 

<SimulationDescriptor Name="StarSystemImprovementKaizenOffice" Type="StarSystemImprovement">
<Property Name="MinimumKaizenOfficeIndustry" BaseValue="0"/>
<Property Name="KaizenOfficeIndustryStock" />
<Property Name="NetKaizenOfficeIndustry" BaseValue="0"/>
<BinaryModifier TargetProperty="NetKaizenOfficeIndustry" Operation="Addition" Left="0.01" BinaryOperation="Multiplication" Right="$(NetSystemProduction)" />
<BinaryModifier TargetProperty="SystemProduction"              Operation="Addition" Left="0"   BinaryOperation="Addition"  Right="$(KaizenOfficeIndustryStock)" Path="./ClassColonizedStarSystem"  />
</SimulationDescriptor>

But it doesn't work. I clearly do something wrong, probably it's again has something to do with location paths. What I think my addition does is: Get value of system industry NetSystemProduction, multiply it by 0.01 to get 1% and then add to NetKaizenOfficeIndustry, and the other calculations occur (KaizenOfficeIndustryStock is increased by new NetKaizenOfficeIndustry, after what it's added to the system industry SystemProduction). I think I don't need to provide Path here because NetKaizenOfficeIndustry is located inside StarSystemImprovementKaizenOffice. So, may I ask for your help once again?

The problem you're facing is something that is annoying for us too when writing data for the game on the regular.

The thing is there's no magical keyword to fetch a something that's neither in the context nor at the end of the path.

It's hard for me to try and help without really having it on my computer, the Simulation Archmage Meedoc might have a secret black magic spell for that but for now you'll have to make do ^^

In your example:

<BinaryModifier TargetProperty="NetKaizenOfficeIndustry" Operation="Addition" Left="0.01" BinaryOperation="Multiplication" Right="$(NetSystemProduction)" />

The TargetProperty is on the context but one of the Operation Values is on the System.

I think youcould use an intermediate Property, such as:

Add a Property in your current context, for example <Property Name="KaisenOfficeIndustryNetSystemProduction" />

Add a Modifier on the ColonizedStarSystem that transfer the value of NetSystemProduction to KaisenOfficeIndustryNetSystemProduction

Use KaisenOfficeIndustryNetSystemProduction in your BinaryModifier since it's a value that's part of the context

If values are off during testing, it might be because of Priority orders like the NetSystemProduction is transferred before everything is computed in it, so make sure that everything is done in order by tweaking the Priority of your operations (a lower Priority value means it's taken into account first)

I hope this helps you :)

Can somebody (maybe devs if they're so kind) explain in detail how does the code for Tower of Temporal Paradox (riftborn unique dust improvement) work? What I'm interested in is making similar improvements for other FIDSI that can be built and still have passive increasing bonus, not behave themselves as queue blockers. I wasn't able (probably because of my insufficient skill level) to reproduce the effect even when I copied all code changing (renaming) only corresponding name pairs, it just added dust bonus one time upon construction, while vanilla improvement kept it's bonus growing every turn. Maybe it has something to do with 

<Property Name="DustOverTimeCount"/>

but I have zero clue about it, saw it only one time in entire Simulation folder.

I think I understand the idea behind such code (did mod Kaizen Workflows), but failed to achieve passive increasing bonus on 1-time constructed building and need help with that.

Any help is appreciated.

I guess overwriting those descriptors would make other mods that do the same incompatible? 

Moving from NetSystemProduction to SystemProduction didn't change the behavior, everything works the same way (this is why earlier I said "can't really tell the difference between the two"). However, what I noticed - when I build Drone Networks (improvement that adds +10 food +10 industry) Kaizen Office (name of my improvement) begins to add +44 instead of +34 earlier, and same thing goes when population increases; so my guess is KaizenOfficeIndustryStock keeps "ticking", but the value of increase updates only if SystemProduction actually changes by other sources, as if SystemProduction is not "aware" that it was changed by Kaizen Office. 

It's weird I see, you've even added a Priority of 100. I'd have blamed the Priority for such a behavior.

Maybe it could be the way you transfer the value of the System Industry from the System to your improvement (so you have the Industry in the context) that is incorrect?

It's hard to tell what's wrong from where I'm standing. If your mod is otherwise functional, you could send it over and I could try to pass it in our Simulation Debugger.

Well, I don't have GUI and Localization, and it's completed only for industry, but the core principles are there.

KaizenOffice.zip

Okay from what I can tell everything is working fine.

Every turn, the multiplier is increased by 100 (100%, 200%, 300% etc...)

If I have 100 Industry and a +100% bonus I'll have 200 Industry and 300 next turn

If I build something else and have 200 Industry with the same +100% I end up with a correct value of 400 and 600 next turn.

From my very basic tests I noticed that Kaizen Office increases Industry by (Sum of everything in the tooltip)*(100%*NbTurn)

Now Ithink I understand what you meant by 

my guess is KaizenOfficeIndustryStock keeps "ticking", but the value of increase updates only if SystemProduction actually changes by other sources, as if SystemProduction is not "aware" that it was changed by Kaizen Office. 

However I observed it to change over turns even when I didn't build anything else.

This is normal, though: the System Industry, as hinted by the tooltip , is a composition of various sources. So your Kaizen "source" just applies a percent on the value. I'm not sure it's going to help you understand but imagine it as some sort of sticker you put on a value. If what's written on the sticker changes, the value below it does too but removing the sticker has its whole effect disappear even after 3 turns have passed.

From my end I don't see any issue with it, so I'm still a bit confused regarding what is the intended effect.