hero questions: melee, wit, ability tree?

davea

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 4:09:09 PM

Sorry to repeat my original question, but is there a document or help which shows the ability tree for each class?

sagittary

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sagittary

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13 years ago

May 12, 2012, 12:15:00 AM

davea wrote:
Followup: in the ability description, we see something like "Melee +3". Now, the HE Battery gives +60 ground power. Are these on the same scale? I hope not. Does anybody know how the melee skill relates to ground power from ship modules?

If it's anything like the other abilities, then it's basically a force multiplier. So for every point in melee, you get +x% of your base invasion score added as a bonus. I'd imagine for balancing that mods that add to invasion score would be added after such multipliers to avoid situations where you could make a ship that could invade a planet in a single turn.

Edit: To clarify, this is a hypothesis based on the behavior of other abilities. Given that we have few numbers to really look at during invasions, it's hard to tell what may or may not be happening.

davea

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davea

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13 years ago

May 12, 2012, 12:05:12 AM

Followup: in the ability description, we see something like "Melee +3". Now, the HE Battery gives +60 ground power. Are these on the same scale? I hope not. Does anybody know how the melee skill relates to ground power from ship modules?

onyx135

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onyx135

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 8:40:38 PM

Xartah wrote:
I would like to know if all heroes are supposed to have the bonuses granted by their stats or are those class specific? I've had heroes that only have +ind/food despite having taken the +wit ability and only getting the +sci/dust bonus after taking veteran 1. Pilot/commanders also don't seem to have the +weapon damage, just the defense boost. Only governor heroes seem to regularly get the damage boost. Are these intended or bugs?

What you describe shouldn't be happening. I can't say for certain but it might be a bug of some sort. Have you tried reloading?

AllGrainGamer

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AllGrainGamer

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 8:01:47 PM

I will help with the wiki abilities page later tonight if it still needs work.

Xartah

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Xartah

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 6:58:46 PM

I would like to know if all heroes are supposed to have the bonuses granted by their stats or are those class specific? I've had heroes that only have +ind/food despite having taken the +wit ability and only getting the +sci/dust bonus after taking veteran 1. Pilot/commanders also don't seem to have the +weapon damage, just the defense boost. Only governor heroes seem to regularly get the damage boost. Are these intended or bugs?

onyx135

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onyx135

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 4:38:00 PM

davea wrote:
Sorry to repeat my original question, but is there a document or help which shows the ability tree for each class?

I started work on something like this on the Endless Space Wiki, but i've been sidetracked working on the tech tree. This is what we have so far: Abilities

Sorry I couldn't be more help.

MODNosferatiel

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MODNosferatiel

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 4:24:31 PM

davea wrote:
Sorry to repeat my original question, but is there a document or help which shows the ability tree for each class?

So far noone has collected every ability tree and there is no dev post with a list, but http://endlessspace.wikia.com/wiki/Abilities is starting the effort, it seems.

VIPSharidann

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VIPSharidann

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 4:23:27 PM

AFAIK no.

Albeit I don't have the user's manual memorized yet.

davea wrote:
Sorry to repeat my original question, but is there a document or help which shows the ability tree for each class?

davea

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davea

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 5:17:08 AM

What are the melee and wit stats used for, on heroes?

Is there a document or help screen somewhere which documents the ability tree for different character types? For example, administrator has a +25 industry skill at second level, but pilots don't. You can inspect the first level abilities before hiring; from past games I know a few of the trees. But surely it should be documented somewhere.

MODVieuxChat

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MODVieuxChat

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 7:59:48 AM

I'm fairly sure.

Randeng

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Randeng

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 7:59:18 AM

VieuxChat wrote:

Melee if for bonuses in invasion (attacker or defender)

Are you sure about that? Because it mentions "at ground combat (invasion)" but not if it works if the system is invaded.

MODVieuxChat

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MODVieuxChat

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 7:24:56 AM

WIT if enhancing Science/Dust, LAB if for enhancing Food/Production.

Melee if for bonuses in invasion (attacker or defender)

Heroes don't get anything special when they level up. They only get the new skills you give them. So there's no such things as "+25 WIT on level 10".

Seldion

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Seldion

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 7:13:59 AM

I would really like to see them add invasion power to the ship info when you hold your mouse over it, there is a empty spot by Ballistics, Beams and Missile power.

davea

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davea

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 5:47:54 AM

IMHO, melee is a really vague name for that. Maybe it should be "ground combat", or "invasion".

Are the ability trees for the classes documented anywhere?

Randeng

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Randeng

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 5:41:08 AM

If you put your mouse on the skills (melee, wit, etc...), you'll see what they give.

Melee helps you during star system invasions, the more your melee is high, the faster you'll take control of the star system.

CarloTheCurious

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CarloTheCurious

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 5:26:32 AM

Wit is system +sci/dust.

Melee, I've no idea (although iirc on some classes it unlocks a +xp ability). Maybe the close-range combat phase?

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