I use a Nvidia GTX 1080, and while I have not been having the FPS problem, the problem I have been having is Humankind putting that GPU to 100%+ use on any setting higher than simple--which causes it to beeeep.

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edit: I can confirm I've also been having framerate problems.

Is everyone sure they have set the OpenDev exe file in Windows to run using the dedicated GPU and not any internal GPU / iGPU ???

Sometimes the issue can be that Windows automatically chose the iGPU (if there is one in your pc) when set to "let windows chose/decide" (different in different language versions of course).

I have a thread some time back describing how to check that and change the setting if necessary.

I guess I might as well copy and paste that here below as well (remember I wrote this some time back and now alot of people are on windows v20H2 and not v2004 anymore): 

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I remember reading during the OpenDev that some people having very low FPS like 5-10 FPS and such, while others did not.

I was so busy playing and my brain wasn't focused as I read that. However now after I'm thinking one obvious reason for that could be that the Motherboard and Processor / CPU has an Internal Graphic Process Unit / iGPU. Like if You have the i9-10900K it does have an iGPU as long as Your Motherboard supports it. While if You have the i9-10900KF it does not have an iGPU, which means You can save a bit money if Your motherboard doesn't have a iGPU output anyway, since the KF CPU is a bit cheaper than the K CPU. I would guess it's the same for AMD Ryzen. That some come with an iGPU. Yes, with some games and apps it will chose the dedicated GPU and You would never have noticed anything, but not all apps will chose the correct GPU.

This is also a common issue if You game on a Laptop. That some games and apps will by default chose the internal iGPU rather than the dedicated GPU. The internal GPU is of course alot weaker than if You have like a dedicated GPU. Usually the Internal GPU is equavalent to maybe an old GT600 or 700 series GPU. So then Your gaming experience and FPS will suffer alot.

However that is easily fixed in Windows 10 at least.

1. You just need to right click on Your desktop.
2. Chose Display Settings 
3. Scroll down to the bottom and click on graphics setting.
4. Once there You need to add the game or app You want to assign the GPU to.
5. Click on the button "Browse".
6. Browse to find the .exe for Humankind (we will have to wait and see where that is located within the steam library once the game is released of course). It will probably be somehwere like Steam ---> steamapps ---> common ---> then the Humankind directory and in that the Humankind.exe should be most likely.
7. Once You have found the game exe file just add it.
8. Back at the Graphic Settings window and You see that the Humankind.exe is added click on it and You will now find 2 buttons/choices, "Options" and "Remove". Click on "Options".
9. You will see 3 options. "Let Windows Decide", that is where it can go wrong and chose the iGPU. "Power Saving". "High Performance". Chose High Performance for Humankind.exe.

With High preformance chosen the game should now chose the systems dedicated GPU (next time you start the game), whatever dedicated GPU You might have (nvidia gtx 980, nvidia gtx 1060, nvidia rtx 2080, amd rx 490, amd radeon rx 5700 etc, just to mention some examples) and not the less powerful Internal GPU. Hopefully that will fix the issue with low FPS for some.

I always go in and add all my games exe files to that list just in case windows will chose the iGPU instead of the dedicated GTX 1080 GPU that I have, or the GTX 1070 in my sons machine, or th RX480 in my secondary PC. It doesn't matter that some of them don't even have an iGPU. I just do it out of habbit at this point. It is something I recommend all my gaming friends to do as well. Especially if they game on a laptop (which often have an igpu), but as I said even desktop PC's can have an internal GPU and that might be what Windows or the game choses to use instead of their more powerful dedicated GPU.

With Windows v2004 they even improved a bit how that graphic settings window looks and the options.

Here is a more up-to-date video showing how to do it in Windows 10 v2004.

YouTube Link: HOW TO Windows 10 May 2020 update Choose Desktop apps GPU in Graphic Settings June 30th 2020



This is a really handy and easy to use feature in Windows 10 (as long as you can find the games exe files location and add it to the list) that I have noticed that alot of people do not even know about. So hopefully posting it here will be of use to someone.

We will have to see if it changes once again when Windows 10 v20H2 rolls out more to the public, but v20H2 is a much smaller update than v2004 was, so probably not. I know that the icons in start menu will change some (stop having like a square canvas and some icons will get an updated look, as well as the start menu more follow Your chosen theme and such. Also on fresh installs or reinstalls of Windows 10 v20H2 Your taskbar will have different setup options and some stuff like that.

Sidenote: As for example for Civ 5 and Civ 6 I added two exe files for each game, since Civ 5 had both an exe file for running the game in dx9 an exe file for running in dx 11. Same with Civ 6, just that one exe file was for running Civ 6 in dx11 and the other exe file for running Civ 6 in dx12. So some games can have more than one exe file. Be sure to add the correct one, or both if needed. 

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As I said I wrote all that some time back and now more people are on Windows 10 v20H2. Not that it matters, as it should work the same (I'm still on v2004 myself now). Hopefully some useful info to some people at least.

Cyphius wrote:

Ok i'm not playing on any laptop but on a "real" computer. I have a gtx1080/i5-8600k/16gb RAM.

Playing on beautifull preset at 1080p is alright, but I do not have the fluidity I can enjoy on other game of the genre like CIV6. Zooming from terrain to strategic map, regardless of graphic preset always provoke some kind of stuttering. Passed 100+ turn the game is increasly dropping in FPS, nothing unplayable, but being above recommend spec I did not expected this kind of experiences.

Anyway I hope the team will work on optimising the game, if they are trying to build a civ-killer theyhave to make it run perfectly on rigs above recommend specs, don't take inspiration from the cyberpunk launch.

@Cyphius Windows 10 is not only doing that on Laptops, but it's more common on laptops as most of them have an iGPU.

According to this Benchmark https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i5-8600K-Benchmarks-and-Specs.278832.0.html the i5-8600K CPU does indeed seem to HAVE an iGPU (internal gpu). 

I quote: 

...The integrated UHD Graphics 630 iGPU is basically indentical to the previous generation Intel HD Graphics 630. Only some low demanding games are playable with this graphic card... 

/end quote 

So depending on if Your MOBO (motherboard) supports iGPU as well, it could still be that Windows 10 automatically chose that iGPU for some apps/games in some usage scenarios. I'm not saying it's 100% certain it does in all usage scenarios, but still worth following that video guide and make sure and at least exclude that potential issue by making that setting. Then  always make sure You set that for all new games after You install them.

It's not meant as some criticism of Your PC, but simply meant a friendly tip. I make that setting on my PC's and my sons PC all the time for all new games installed. Even if we alos have "real" desktop computers with a GTX 1080, a GTX 1070 as well as a RX 480 in those PC's just to make sure Windows really chose those and not some iGPU on the CPU/Motherboard. Rather safe than sorry. :)

I can also add as far as Cyberpunk 2077 is concerned, my son had alot of issues and graphical glitches, like trees showing from far away through walls and stuff on his i7 with GTX 1070, 16 GB RAM etc. However getting the latest Nvidia Drivers solved all that. Not all other bugs of course, but at least the graphical ones. AMD also released new drivers for their GPU's that fixed alot of graphical issues in Cyberpunk 2077.

Cyphius wrote:

Lord_Funk,

I appreciate your response and your will to help. But I was mostly making a point about the expectation I have for the this game rather than my ability to have it run well or at all. I'm 100% positive my gpu was working during my time playing the OpenDev. I

@Cyphius No problems. I'm always happy to help and give advice when and IF I can. Not that it always help or solve the issue at hand, but at least worth a try. As I said my advice was simply a way to at least eliminate that potential issue. If You are sure that is not the issue then I have no idea what it can be on very limited information to go by.

I run this OpenDev as well as previous on 2 different machines. One is alot weaker than Yours with only an i5 6600K (older cpu than yours and not overclocked) with 16 GB RAM and only an AMD RX 480 (8gb vram gpu) which I only run on a 27 inch monitor in 1080p (sometimes I run it on 2 monitors in 1080p). In fact I only have an SSD for the O/S (windows 10 pro 64-bit) and install my games on a WD Blue 1TB 7200rpm traditional HD on that one (yes, only the 1tb version runs in 7200rpm, the larger ones are even slower). Then my a bit better rig (but not the latest and greatest) with an i7 6700K (not overclocked, also an old cpu by now) with 32 GB RAM (3000mhz) and a GTX 1080 (8 gb vram gpu) and not a Ti or anything. Just a regular Inno3D 1080 iChill  X4 (meaning it has 4 fans built in it). I run that on 2x27 inch Predator monitors in 1440p resolution. On that one I have the O/S (windows 10 pro 64-bit) on one SSD and myu games on another SSD. Then another 2xWD Blue 1 TB for other storage like for example images, documents and other files.

During the first OpenDev I even recorded on OBS in 1440p60 at the same time with 2x1440p resolution monitors on while I was recording. Still the game ran fine on highest graphic setting. No, not 144 fps or so, but this is a turnbased strategy game and don't really need 144 fps, or even 120 fps to run just fine. This is not an action first person shooter, as long as it doesn't lag and stutter it's fine to play. Anything over 30fps is acctually playable in Turn Based Games, even if I of course prefer 60+ fps even in these types of games.

I can run both on the highest Humankind graphical settings, even if I do lower it to 1 setting below the best sometimes on my slowest i5 PC. I don't find alot of lag, or stuttering or anything like that, but I also always try and run the latest GPU drivers, unless I forget to look for new ones sometimes. I do not use GeForce experience, as it does slow down PC a bit with all the data it sends to Nvidia. Instead I always only install the drivers via standalone download and always do the installation of the Nvidia drivers manually and do not tick/chose GeForec Experience to get installed, only the drivers. As I said Nividia GeForce Experince do send alot of data/telemetry, not to mention that You need to sign up if want to use ShadowPlay and that is why I stick to OBS if want to record. On the AMD GPU machine I do run their Radeon Software without having signed up of course and alwys chose NO to them collecting any data (even if they claim they collect it anonymously). The less data that is sent somewhere in the background the better. same with my Windows 10. I have switched all i can off, some things deactiavated even using the Policy Editor, as I run windows 10 Pro. It does make a difference of You know all the settings and rules to set. It does take tiome to set up, but well worth it. Many vidoes and guides out there on waht to deactivate and so.

My son is running this OpenDev on his machine with an i7 6700K as well, 16 GB RAM and a ASUS GTX1070 Dual (8gb vram gpu) and the game ruins fine on his PC too. 

Another thing that can slow down a PC, internet connection as well as give lower FPS are all the different RGB softwares people install these days. 

It is well known (among pc builders) that having too many different softwares installed for like RGB Led effects on keyboard, fans, GPU, Motherboard etc, like NZXT Cam, Corsair iCUE, Razer Synapse, Steel Series Engine 3 and ASUS Aura Sync adds up and can give lower FPS, as well as telemetry being sent by those sofwares as well as softwares like Nvidia GeForce Experience. I have seen some have like all of those installed due to having various hardware and Peripherals from different companies. That will slow down FPS alot when it stacks and adds up. Some sofware like iCUE and AURA Sync can be controlled via each other and are compatible so that one can set it up and only have one of those softwares active at any one time to control the RGB Led effects. When possible try to get RGB cooler, RGB fans, Motherboard with RGB erffects built in, GPU with RGB, peripherels with RGB etc from the same company so You only need one sofware running to control Your cooler, fans and peripherels RGB effects. It can help alot.

Apart from that there isn't much info to go by. So it's hard to say what it is that gives You bad performance while I do not get that. 

Do NOT read me wrong. Just because it runs fine for me on 2 machines, as well as on my sons, does NOT mean I try to say there are no issues or to dimish Your experience. With so many different hardware  and software combinations there are so many things that can go wrong and not be compatible, or well optimized in certain combinations. You should probably try send the devs some more specified Hardware information, as well as a DX Diag and such so that maybe the Q&A team or the other devs can try and emulate Your hardware and software set-up and test the performance. I know they will appreciate any detailed info like that and try to improve the game. It could be that some sofware or hardware combination has not been tested and they can optimize that better, but only if they know what to test and look for.

I really hope You find the solution and that Humankind will run smooth for You in the future !!! *thumbs up* :)

Changlini wrote:

I think the update that happened today(And possibly some re-wiring/part changing on my part) helped fix the problem in my end, as now I have no discernable framerate problems(yet) and my Graphics card seems to be handling better--though I can't be 100% sure on that(Aside from no beeeeeps from prolong play on max settings). But just in-case: I have went into Windows settings and forced the game to always start with the GPU.

@Changlini Yes, I saw there was a small update as well to Humankind OpenDev installing via steam (it was fast to d/l and install and barely noticeable). I have noticed that now it's only possible to move or attack by clicking on the move buttonor attack button in the units window. You can't right click anymore to move. Not sure if that was the only update change though.

Also yes, that small setting in Windows 10 is so easy to do anyway (once knowing it's there), that it's good to do it and at least then know that that potential issue is elminitated. As I said in my other post further up, better safe than sorry. :P

Xhoid wrote:

Same problem. Game is very laggy, audio slutters, specially in late game when there is a lot of units and buildings.

To be honest at this point I already feel like I can play tons of hours with the content that Lucy has to offer, so my number 1 complain by far is the optimization.

My PC specs:

OS Name    Microsoft Windows 10 Home

Processor    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10750H CPU @ 2.60GHz, 2592 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s)

Installed Physical Memory (RAM)    8.00 GB

Name    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650

@Xhoid It seems i7-10750H is yet another CPU with a iGPU / Internal Graphics Card. At least according to this benchmark, link: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-10750H-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.452735.0.html 

I quote: 

Intel Core i7-107050H

...The integrated UHD Graphics 630 iGPU is supposed to offer a similar as the UHD630 in the Core i7-9750H. As a low-end solution it will only run current games smoothly at reduced details - if at all...

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So if Your MOBO/Motherboard also support iGPU it could be a good idea to follow that video guide and make that setting in windows just to at least elminate that from being the issue causing it.

The guide above in this post: https://www.games2gether.com/amplitude-studios/humankind/forums/168-general/threads/38090-low-framerate?page=1#post-307332 

It could very well be that Your MOBO does not support an iGPU even if Your CPU has one, so it might not at all be an issue and that setting might not help at all. However it does not do any damage to set it anyway. Also to make sure You have the latest GPU Drivers. Nividia have been relasing quite a few new drivers lately. 

Also if I may, I would suggest to try and get 8 more GB of RAM if and when You can afford it. 8GB is barely enough nowdays. 16 GB RAM is more and more becoming the gaming standard these days. If Windows has to start using The Harddrive space for virtual memory to handle processes as it runs out of dedicated RAM it does slow down the performance alot.

https://www.tardisk.com/blogs/macauthority/what-happens-when-you-run-out-of-ram-and-hard-drive-space

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...So what happens when your computer runs out of RAM?

The easy answer to that question: Your computer will start to work less efficiently. That's because when your computer runs out of memory it will start to use the hard drive space for "virtual memory" to compensate. While in theory this sounds fine, in reality your hard drive read/write speeds are much slower than the RAM read/write speeds. Slower speeds mean exactly what you'd think: you hard drive activity LED will flash continuously and your computer will slow down - and the more virtual memory your hard drive needs to use, the slower your computer will get.

This lower operating efficiency doesn't just mean slower performance. It can also lead to, among other things, an inability to burn CDs or DVDs, install software (either via Software Update or using third-party installers), and to enable or disable FileVault®.

These problems are even more likely to occur when your startup disk is also nearly full and any free disk space is taken up by swap files...

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Just make sure that You buy the same type of RAM (for compatibility) if You for example have 2x4GB sticks and buy another 2x4GB sticks. Alternatively buy 2x8 GB sticks and replace the ones You have, if you can afford it. I know these are tough times for most of us, so it's only meant as a friendly suggestion, not meant to be snobbish or anything like that. Alot of us are struggling financially atm, so I totally understand if that is not an option right now. 

I really hope You will get the game to run more smoothly in the future, as it is indeed a fantastic game to play. I haven't had this much fun in a 4X game since Civ 4 and 5. :)