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3 years ago
Aug 19, 2021, 6:34:48 PM

Can you explain some things related to victory conditions please? So the game can be won only by accumulating the highest Fame.


1. If a civilization gets eliminated it does not prevent it to win the game when it ends assuming nobody else managed to collect more Fame than that particular civilization. This means that if a civilization has gone far away in Fame that can hardly been gained upon it's not even a solution to follow the Civilization reciepe of erasing it from the planet, right? So maybe resigning the game is a more efficient solution at that point.


2. What if my civilization gets eliminated? Does the game finish at that point? And who's the winner then? Or does the game simulate the game by its end somehow first? :)

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3 years ago
Aug 19, 2021, 7:14:19 PM

Fame is the only thing that dictates who wins.


However:


The game can end depending on a number of factors:

  • Launching a Mars Colony and clicking that [Let's end this] button.
  • Researching the entire technology tree, from Ancient to contemporary.
  • Probably eliminating everyone else
  • World ending due to pollution
Supposedly:
Players who get eliminated do not have their fame counted, but it seems that is not the case, so they're taken out of the game, but their fame still counts when the scores are tallied, so you can theoretically come in second place to an eliminated player.
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3 years ago
Aug 19, 2021, 7:18:36 PM
Changlini wrote:


Supposedly:
Players who get eliminated do not have their fame counted, but it seems that is not the case, so they're taken out of the game, but their fame still counts when the scores are tallied, so you can theoretically come in second place to an eliminated player.

Exactly. That raises my dilemma described in #1. And still don't get what happens when human player gets eliminated in a single player game by another empire and who wins the game (question in #2).

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3 years ago
Aug 19, 2021, 7:21:42 PM
I've never ever been eliminated. I'm not sure if that happens at all. All that happened is that I've been forced to respawn or become a vassal. Thanks for the idea, I will try to get eliminated on purpose!
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3 years ago
Aug 19, 2021, 7:25:06 PM
Siptah wrote:
I've never ever been eliminated. I'm not sure if that happens at all. All that happened is that I've been forced to respawn or become a vassal...

What do you mean about respawning?


Thanks for the idea, I will try to get eliminated on purpose!

I appreciate your helpfullness :D

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3 years ago
Aug 19, 2021, 7:26:01 PM

Oh, sorry, I haven't tested being eliminated in a game yet, so I don't have any observations on that.:



trigorin wrote:
This means that if a civilization has gone far away in Fame that can hardly been gained upon it's not even a solution to follow the Civilization reciepe of erasing it from the planet, right? So maybe resigning the game is a more efficient solution at that point.

I mean, if you really only are their to come in first and nothing else is acceptable, then yes. Closing the range of a 14,000 v 9000 thousand score difference requires gaining more than three goal stars in each era. Which means you can not be rushing through eras, unless you know you will be too slow to get all those stars. So giving opt, robotically speaking, is the correct choice.



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3 years ago
Aug 19, 2021, 7:26:42 PM

I would bet that the game just simulates the rest of the turns till turn 300. The easiest way to test this is to start in the Neolithic era and lose all your tribes. There is also an achievement for that. Anyone willing to test this tonight ? :)

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3 years ago
Aug 19, 2021, 7:27:02 PM
I'm not sure if this is a thing in the final game, actually. But in some earlier versions, when your last unit was killed, you respawned in a free territory close by with a few new units.
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Aug 19, 2021, 7:31:51 PM
Changlini wrote:

Oh, sorry, I haven't tested being eliminated in a game yet, so I don't have any observations on that.:



trigorin wrote:
This means that if a civilization has gone far away in Fame that can hardly been gained upon it's not even a solution to follow the Civilization reciepe of erasing it from the planet, right? So maybe resigning the game is a more efficient solution at that point.

I mean, if you really only are their to come in first and nothing else is acceptable, then yes. Closing the range of a 14,000 v 9000 thousand score difference requires gaining more than three goal stars in each era. Which means you can not be rushing through eras, unless you know you will be too slow to get all those stars. So giving opt, robotically speaking, is the correct choice.



That was my assumption. So the player is constantly forced to keep up the pace, right? This maintains the tension of gameplay. I like it.


(Just a quick question: in my current 6-player game on Metropolis difficulty at Classical Era I'm the last one with Fame of 558 while the leading civ has 1234 - should I resign now? :D)

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Aug 19, 2021, 7:42:04 PM
trigorin wrote:

(Just a quick question: in my current 6-player game on Metropolis difficulty at Classical Era I'm the last one with Fame of 558 while the leading civ has 1234 - should I resign now? :D)

700 fame is negligible, but I can't know if you'll be able to catch up. The question is rather: if this is one of your first few games, what's the worst that could happen? That you don't win at the end? It can still be an enjoyable game, and you might learn a lot for your next one.

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Aug 19, 2021, 7:45:51 PM
Siptah wrote:
trigorin wrote:

(Just a quick question: in my current 6-player game on Metropolis difficulty at Classical Era I'm the last one with Fame of 558 while the leading civ has 1234 - should I resign now? :D)

700 fame is negligible, but I can't know if you'll be able to catch up. The question is rather: if this is one of your first few games, what's the worst that could happen? That you don't win at the end? It can still be an enjoyable game, and you might learn a lot for your next one.

I absolutely agree with you. I don't intend to resign at all yet :)

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Aug 19, 2021, 7:53:49 PM
Siptah wrote:
trigorin wrote:

(Just a quick question: in my current 6-player game on Metropolis difficulty at Classical Era I'm the last one with Fame of 558 while the leading civ has 1234 - should I resign now? :D)

700 fame is negligible, but I can't know if you'll be able to catch up. The question is rather: if this is one of your first few games, what's the worst that could happen? That you don't win at the end? It can still be an enjoyable game, and you might learn a lot for your next one.

I wouldn't quit I was way behind by the first two eras then was able to get the Celts and between population, tech and influence shot to number one. I got 7 stars before anyone and advanced after 11 stars I wonder if in the end that will be to soon to have advanced.  

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3 years ago
Aug 20, 2021, 9:52:22 PM

So I tried it and got eliminated. There is no simulation going on, the game ends just there in this very turn and the one with the most fame in that moment wins. And yes, it is possible to win yourself as the player that has been eliminated. This means that you can more or less freely decide when to end the game (might take a few turns to raze all your stuff and suicide some units), and in case you are leading, also win it. 

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Aug 20, 2021, 10:10:25 PM
Siptah wrote:

So I tried it and got eliminated. There is no simulation going on, the game ends just there in this very turn and the one with the most fame in that moment wins. And yes, it is possible to win yourself as the player that has been eliminated.

Thanks :) So if AI plays to win and is clever enough it won't kill you if you're leading :)

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3 years ago
Aug 20, 2021, 10:16:33 PM

It's not necessarily the AI's choice when you are eliminated, you can take the initiative and die. I suicided against an IP.

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