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Why does the AIs armies get +40% combat bonus?

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3 years ago
Aug 27, 2021, 12:45:22 AM
For example, I am fighting an AI Hun and their Hunic Horde base is 29 Combat Power with +1 for Lighthouse.
The Hunnic Horde is supposed to have 22 Combat power.
I check the AI's special traits and it only has a Large bonus to gold.
No avatar traits for combat.

It is not just this AI.
Every single one of them has a huge bonus to Combat Power.

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3 years ago
Aug 27, 2021, 8:46:49 AM

Some religious tenets give combat bonuses as well.

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3 years ago
Aug 27, 2021, 9:20:02 AM

I noticed this too, I think it is from an overpowered event. It's one of those 3 options events, one of the choices is +7 attack, it comes in the Classical era, which makes it hugely OP. The AI got it in my game and thier warriors were a match for my veteran swordsman, very irritating. Of course they declared war during it. Needs to be nerfed down to like 3, 4 max. It's not religion as others have stated because that is +2, it gives you the full breakdown of what a unit has, like veteran, high ground, tenet etc. I'm 90% sure it is from an event. 

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3 years ago
Aug 27, 2021, 9:49:16 AM

It's probably an event (or ransacking bonus?), but it's possible to stack permanent combat strength quite high. I think the list is:


Base: 22

Hun Legacy Trait (+2 to Cavalry): 24

Difficulty (+2 or +1): 26

Homeland Ideology (possible +2, but likely only +1 in Classical): 27

Professional Army Civic (+1): 28

Veterancy (+2 or +1): 30

Hittite Legacy Trait: 31

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3 years ago
Aug 27, 2021, 11:28:45 AM

There is a Neolithic event that gives a permanent +2 as well. Which I posted a thread about already because that is freaking insane. 

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3 years ago
Aug 27, 2021, 2:12:20 PM
Promethian wrote:

There is a Neolithic event that gives a permanent +2 as well. Which I posted a thread about already because that is freaking insane. 

Which ones that?

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3 years ago
Aug 29, 2021, 8:06:49 AM
Tygari wrote:
Promethian wrote:

There is a Neolithic event that gives a permanent +2 as well. Which I posted a thread about already because that is freaking insane. 

Which ones that?

Those events are "Violent Pursuits" and "Legion of the Dead". I think they require an outpost, typically at least 4-5 turns cooldown after the previous random event, and, at least for the latter, something more.

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3 years ago
Aug 29, 2021, 8:10:24 AM

There can also be ai bonus modifiers depending on the difficulty, they have been a bit notorious in Amplitude games.

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3 years ago
Aug 29, 2021, 8:22:58 AM

It's the ferocious +7 trait from an event. Lasts ten turns I believe. 

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3 years ago
Aug 29, 2021, 8:45:03 AM

Depends on the game speed, it's 20 turns in the Endless and, damn, do I have a bone to pick with it after last playthrough. Had a scuffle with Romans over new world, fully Medieval army on my side, mostly legionaries on theirs (not even Praetorian, just what their generic Swordsmen look like, which is mighty cool, may I add), so it didn't even come to me to check their strength, though I should, because terrain was disadvantageous to me. My Pikemen and Crossbowmen just melted, no mercy, good thing I had Teutonic Knights.

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3 years ago
Aug 29, 2021, 3:02:13 PM

Has anybody mentioned the AI have biases and traits? Some of them should provide bonus to combat strength or speed.
Check carefully the AI you are playing against when you are setting up the game.

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3 years ago
Sep 5, 2021, 11:22:36 PM

ferocious +7 is ridiculous. you'll lose to armies that are two ages behind. it needs to be toned down. consider that the humankind AI gets a +2 bonus, now times 3.5 that.

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3 years ago
Sep 6, 2021, 1:15:25 AM

Any combat strength bonus a unit has, whether AI or player, shows up when you look specifically at the unit details window. It will define exactly which strength point is from what.


Now whether this is obvious knowledge or not I think is the problem since it's only something you learn if you really look through options on a unit. I personally didn't get a tutorial on this while learning the game, just figured it out while in your same situation of trying to figure out why strength of enemy unit is what it was.


By this knowledge btw the AI only gains +1 combat strength from the 2nd and 3rd highest difficulties. I haven't ever played on the highest difficulty to see if this increases further.

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3 years ago
Sep 6, 2021, 7:13:12 AM

On Humankind level, the AI gets +2.


The ferocious events (+7, and also the one with +14 no one seems to complain about) can be very nasty. But they only last for 10 turns. So in many circumstances, the best way of dealing with them is avoiding fights for that time. It's important to notice them on the enemy units before battle though, and not be surprised by it when you massed some units for a decisive battle...

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3 years ago
Sep 6, 2021, 10:15:00 AM

Remember you can stack those bonus as well, if you always choose the science/economical/industry bonus, your unit will be behind in term of strength. Civics, tenets, cultures, defending, etc, if you neglect military, you will sooner or later face difficulties. Russians -> Soviets can easily get a +10/11, if they have enough territories / stability.


If you have no military bonus, you have to loose, because it is fair: a weak army should not beat a strong army... Unless you lake really good tactical choices (stay behind walls to fight horses, so they can't attack you for example)

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