I agree absolutely.

There are a lot of mechanics that need to be looked at and improved to make them relevant in mid- lategame, just one example: influence is extremely important in the early game, and basically you "can't have enough", which makes it very exciting to accumulate and hard in deciding what you should spend it on, which is a lot of fun! But in the lategame I'm sitting on 250k+ influence with nothing to spend it on, and basically that yield becomes meaningless. I really hope some DLCs / expansions will bring some more utility to it, even until the end.

Honestly?

why cant it be good now? like when I bought it? why does it need another year for them to "finish"/"fix" it? is this a small studio? ..no. is it their first game? ..no. game of this type? ..no.

Endless legend is one of my favorite games so why does this feel like a step backward in so many ways?

So many bugs and glitches, (pathing, AI, battles, balance, mechanics, UI, achievements.. where do i stop?) so many broken or hung games, So much research on workarounds to X glitch only to hit A N other Y bug. Clearly however their marketing/hype team are AAA rated, a pity that they didn't give more budget and time to where it mattered the most. On the game itself! Don't tell me that NONE of this was caught at open dev? some of these glitches are soo bad I don't know how it even got past alpha unnoticed. what the actual !?!

I suppose that a bad game has to build an audience whereas a good one will just have one come to it.

All the glitz on this games2gether nonsense isn't worth diddly squat if this is what they produce with it. I'm fed up, frustrated and well and truly fecked off; they traded on past laurels and dialed one in remotely from the land of CBA. This leaves me with a distinctly bad taste of EA shenanigans in the mouth; worse at least with EA you know what your dealing with and should be wise enough to brace for impact. I'm disappointed with the game, the developer and mostly myself for expecting better.

I take it from the tone of the above that I'm a good bit older than yourself and probably most people in here, so just a word to the wise going forward; don't make excuses for bad behavior in any part of life. They don't need you to cover for them, they don't need the help. Better to call it what it is, a shameful disgrace.

demand better.

Kyrarae wrote:

Honestly?

why cant it be good now? like when I bought it? why does it need another year for them to "finish"/"fix" it? is this a small studio? ..no. is it their first game? ..no. game of this type? ..no.

Endless legend is one of my favorite games so why does this feel like a step backward in so many ways?

So many bugs and glitches, (pathing, AI, battles, balance, mechanics, UI, achievements.. where do i stop?) so many broken or hung games, So much research on workarounds to X glitch only to hit A N other Y bug. Clearly however their marketing/hype team are AAA rated, a pity that they didn't give more budget and time to where it mattered the most. On the game itself! Don't tell me that NONE of this was caught at open dev? some of these glitches are soo bad I don't know how it even got past alpha unnoticed. what the actual !?!

I suppose that a bad game has to build an audience whereas a good one will just have one come to it.

All the glitz on this games2gether nonsense isn't worth diddly squat if this is what they produce with it. I'm fed up, frustrated and well and truly fecked off; they traded on past laurels and dialed one in remotely from the land of CBA. This leaves me with a distinctly bad taste of EA shenanigans in the mouth; worse at least with EA you know what your dealing with and should be wise enough to brace for impact. I'm disappointed with the game, the developer and mostly myself for expecting better.

I take it from the tone of the above that I'm a good bit older than yourself and probably most people in here, so just a word to the wise going forward; don't make excuses for bad behavior in any part of life. They don't need you to cover for them, they don't need the help. Better to call it what it is, a shameful disgrace.

demand better.

Relax haha. I understand if this is not the game you were expecting, but it's plenty of fun for others. Why are you even posting in this forum if you hate it so much. I played Endless Legend on release and it was a hot mess. Any ambitious game is. Great games become great because developers try new things and iterate over time.

Also, re-read your last paragraph and pretend someone had just said that to you. I get what you're trying to say, but it comes off really condescending.

Kyrarae wrote:

Honestly?

why cant it be good now? like when I bought it? why does it need another year for them to "finish"/"fix" it? is this a small studio? ..no. is it their first game? ..no. game of this type? ..no.

Endless legend is one of my favorite games so why does this feel like a step backward in so many ways?

So many bugs and glitches, (pathing, AI, battles, balance, mechanics, UI, achievements.. where do i stop?) so many broken or hung games, So much research on workarounds to X glitch only to hit A N other Y bug. Clearly however their marketing/hype team are AAA rated, a pity that they didn't give more budget and time to where it mattered the most. On the game itself! Don't tell me that NONE of this was caught at open dev? some of these glitches are soo bad I don't know how it even got past alpha unnoticed. what the actual !?!

I suppose that a bad game has to build an audience whereas a good one will just have one come to it.

All the glitz on this games2gether nonsense isn't worth diddly squat if this is what they produce with it. I'm fed up, frustrated and well and truly fecked off; they traded on past laurels and dialed one in remotely from the land of CBA. This leaves me with a distinctly bad taste of EA shenanigans in the mouth; worse at least with EA you know what your dealing with and should be wise enough to brace for impact. I'm disappointed with the game, the developer and mostly myself for expecting better.

I take it from the tone of the above that I'm a good bit older than yourself and probably most people in here, so just a word to the wise going forward; don't make excuses for bad behavior in any part of life. They don't need you to cover for them, they don't need the help. Better to call it what it is, a shameful disgrace.

demand better.

I didn't make any excuses for anyone.

I've just shared my thoughts on the current state of the game. 8/10 game mainly thanks to the early/middle game experience.

I've also acknowleged that the video game industry works this way now, and that's a fact whether you like it or not (and i don't). I'm old enough to remember how games used to be complete on release date, before steam and digital copies. But i guess that cd are the past, and you cannot stop progress.

Again, on the bright side, even though this game is far from being finished, it is one of the most fun  i've ever played, let's enjoy it hoping for improvements that are surely on the way.

Humankind should have been released as early access, imho.

There is so much to fix. Which is a good news somewhere, because yes the game is already fascinating.

Kamino72 wrote:

Humankind should have been released as early access, imho.

There is so much to fix. Which is a good news somewhere, because yes the game is already fascinating.

This is actually true. HK is a very good early acces game. But as a release it has many flaws, and is only potentially good. 

And I agree with the OP. Mid to late game feels rushed and incomplete.  

Kyrarae wrote:

I suppose that a bad game has to build an audience whereas a good one will just have one come to it.