I've gotten 3 Aesthete stars up to Early Modern and now have to pick my next culture. Just a bit of thinking out loud while comparing the two. Grand Secretariat (+1 Influence on Territory) is mediocre. Though I'm pretty big it doesn't compare to Edo's Shogun's Authority which gives +1 Influence per population. The difference here is staggering.
Comparing my current empire...
Ming: 28 territories = +28 influence
Edo: 122 population = +122 influence
However, the emblematic districts may even things up a bit in the short term. Grand Teahouse = +1 influence per district and +2 influence per adjacent district. This isn't super clear so I assume that once it is placed in a territory, all of that territory's districts get a +1 bonus. Edo's Tera is +2 influence and +5 influence per adjacent mountain - a bit trickier placement.
Comparing my current empire...
Ming: 122 districts. 28 territories, let's assume I can get 2 adjacencies in all of them (this accounts for some 3s and some 1s). 122 + 56 = +178 influence
Edo: 28 districts, let's assume I can get a mountain in half of them. 28 + (14*5) = +98 influence
Totals...
Ming: +206 influence
Edo: +220 influence
So they're pretty darn close. However, the deciding factor here comes in the fact that the unique trait starts accumulating IMMEDIATELY, even before I've built any districts, and it lasts every era after. This seems to make Edo edge out Ming in the short and long run by a magnitude.
Ming is far superior to Edo, +1 influence per district from teahouse can give huge amount of influence. If a city have 50 districts, each teahouse is will give +50 influence from just the district and keep in mind if that city have 5 territories you can get like +250 influence from the teahouse and this number will likely keep increasing as the game progress and the cities get more and more districts.
Oddible wrote: However, the emblematic districts may even things up a bit in the short term. Grand Teahouse = +1 influence per district and +2 influence per adjacent district. This isn't super clear so I assume that once it is placed in a territory, all of that territory's districts get a +1 bonus.
It count all district the city have, it don't matter if they are in the same territory as the teahouse or not.
It count all district the city have, it don't matter if they are in the same territory as the teahouse or not.
This can't be true. It must only count districts in the same territory. Otherwise, if a city has 3 territories and 10 districts in each = 30 total districts. You can place 3 teahouses since one per territory. Each teahouse CANNOT earn +30. They earn the +10 from the districts in the territory they're placed. So +30 total for 3 teahouses rather than +90.
Oddible wrote: This can't be true. It must only count districts in the same territory. Otherwise, if a city has 3 territories and 10 districts in each = 30 total districts. You can place 3 teahouses since one per territory. Each teahouse CANNOT earn +30. They earn the +10 from the districts in the territory they're placed. So +30 total for 3 teahouses rather than +90.
Yes it count all district in the city, so if the city have 30 district, each teahouse will give 30 influence and if you can build 3, that is 90 or more influence. This is true for other emblematic district such as the Japanese robot factory which increase the output of all makers and research quarters of the city or the Swedes research institute which get +3 science per district in the city.
Per district/territory/pop/tile/specialist EQ are absurdly op compared to other ones. Because each one counts the whole city, and a good sized city is at least 10 territories.
Yep, anything that says per district counts all districts in all territories within that city. I have had Swedish research labs add around 1000 research per Lab in my biggest city. They scale very, very well.
So a single Teahouse will add a couple of hundred of influence (the extra influence is granted on the emblematic district itself).
I'll second that observation. A city is comprised of all the territories attached to it. The game does not differentiate whether that land is an attachment or the main plaza. (I mean it does, as there are traits that add per main plaza/administrative center so theoretically it could differentiate). But if something says city, it counts everything in that city. If it says adjacent district, then it only counts district directly touching its hex - though that seems to include luxury resources too (Not sure if it also includes wonders/religious sites).
If I need influence, I choose Ming. But Edo is pretty good too (I like samurai). As you say, they're close.
I do agree with what everyone has been saying the japanese would only be better if you can take huge advantage of the Mountain bonuses and get like at least 100 influence from just mountain bonuses. Also there are a lot of civics that can give you more influence and with the ming you get them cheaper.
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