Please share your opinion on this video :  Humankind's Industry Problem (And Why it isn't As Big of a Deal in Other 4x Games)

Love Humankind , for me really that feeling that territory and production were all of the game was sad there was no deal like choosing quality or quantity . Imagine Luxembourg if it was in HK :p .

You do have some very good points about the problem.

From your video I can sense these suggested possible game changes:

• Dividing industry into segments: Military (units), construction (districts, infrastructure), others?
• Limiting industry (and possibly other yields) via population - because how can you produce stuff with zero workers (disregarding automation)?
• Letting stability affect industry output (possibly other yields?)

Letting outputs depend on utilisation via population may just shift the problem to food output, but then again food output has a limit already.

I have no solutions, but it's a good thing to discuss.

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SudoPotato wrote:

You do have some very good points about the problem.

From your video I can sense these suggested possible game changes:

• Dividing industry into segments: Military (units), construction (districts, infrastructure), others?
• Limiting industry (and possibly other yields) via population - because how can you produce stuff with zero workers (disregarding automation)?
• Letting stability affect industry output (possibly other yields?)

I like the idea of stability having a direct effect on outputs, but I can't argue against having an effect on all the outputs, logically, which would solve nothing. Same with population.

Letting outputs depend on utilisation via population may just shift the problem to food output, but then again food output has a limit already.

I have no solutions, but it's a good thing to discuss.

The video is insightful.

I find it unintuitive that attaching more territories to my city lowers my stability and increases my district costs. As it stands the value of industry in the game dwarfs all other yields to a lever where it becomes oppressive to the gameplay. 

Things to consider

1. Unirionically remove Makers Quarter from the game and see how it plays without them. 
2. Cap districts based on population (Food and Industry required to expand cities, Emblematic Quarters do not need pop to support them)
3. Dividing industry into more subsystems - Military/Infrastructure
4. Making district costs scale per district type rather than total districts.
5. Changing gold away from being just "Globally insertable production"
6. Give players another way to spend science or influence on bonuses - Old World lets players trade science for certain buffs/instant payoffs for example. Repeatable scientific projects per era that give some kind of bonus or immediate effect. [Essentially turning science or influence into Master of Magic Mana, which can be used for research or "spells"]
7. un-nerf food and gold purchasing.
8. Add a new District "Housing" that generates jobs based on the adjacent districts [E.G. +2 industry jobs if 2 Makers adjacent] but loses stability for adjacent districts except commons.
9. Add more upkeep yields to things, quarters take gold, influence, food to maintain etc.

They really need to divorce pop cap and number of districts. Making districts need pop like EL instead of pop needing districts would be a welcome change in my opinion. Also I agree that districts should scale primarily on the number of that type you have built in a city, not total districts, although it could also be a mix. In general the game needs to have more interaction between the map and city building, to me it feels like I pretty much build the same city over and over again. There are two things on the map, rivers and mountains, and they honestly aren't super impactful. But when you can place one of those Zhou EQs in a bunch of mountains it feels good. More of the city building should respond to the map, to give the game replayability and keep city building interesting

It's my understanding that the patch was to slow the game down and improve mid-late to late game pacing, however they didn't address manufactories or settlers, which are some of the biggest contributes to this pace issue.

SudoPotato wrote:

• Dividing industry into segments: Military (units), construction (districts, infrastructure), others?
• Limiting industry (and possibly other yields) via population - because how can you produce stuff with zero workers (disregarding automation)?
• Letting stability affect industry output (possibly other yields?)

Is tihs a description of the WH 40K:Gladius economy?

This video is rly on the point, u can just spam industry all game long, and get 100'000 science once u activate colective minds in early industrial era

there are so many variables that it's hard to take these complaints seriously

so people don't enjoy their snowballz? they should play in a very low yield map or face a set of stronger opponents. so people want to be able to play lots of late era? then they should get better and get there earlier or do a custom start being there already

no one is impressed by huge numbers with kiddie difficulty settings

if you someone does not enjoy the randomly generated scenarios that aim to please a large majority of casual users, then they should build their own and stop crying for attention and petty views

"no one is impressed by huge numbers with kiddie difficulty settings " that picture was humankind difficulty. on lower difficulty ai  acutlaly slows down snowballing, since they take for ever to get there resources online

8k fame points by industrial era aren't even little cute numbers... so no, i wasn't thinking of your piggybacking reply, sry

While listening to the video, I had a stupid idea. Why would districts not be free, or grow organicaly, soly based on the amount of population in a city ? Industry would not be as important as before, and food would be more important. It's drastic, but we do appear to need to think out of the box here.

Life is a game of balance you should have Quality Or Quantity , production could  let you achieve build many things  but more detailled things you need  specialist experts ect