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a year ago
Aug 30, 2023, 9:25:00 PM

This is great, but I can't figure out what the pama-nyungan trait is supposed to do? 

Can I ask questions here or is it spoilers? 

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a year ago
Aug 31, 2023, 11:41:18 AM

Thanks, I found it in the influence tool-tip after - it's not shown on the map as influence. 


You get 3 influence for every territory that has a named feature - I had a river in three territories giving me 9 and a forest in two giving me 6. Annoyingly there are some mountain ranges but I won't see the inside of them until I get an aircraft/satellite or I suspect I'd discover these named features also. 


Nice to finally have a game mechanic that interacts with this, and also nice in giving an interesting map based choice. 

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a year ago
Aug 31, 2023, 11:56:01 AM

Oh, interesting, but sounds like barely usable. Maybe it would be better if there was some base (even if abysmal) Influence generation from those features available to everyone and this specific culture having a bass-boosted version of it.

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a year ago
Aug 31, 2023, 1:10:30 PM

When testing this trait with the VIPs, we actually had to nerf it quite heavily from the original design because they would (as some VIPs put it) "out-Olmec the Olmecs" quite easily.

Just for clarity: The trait applies for each piece of a landmark in your territories, not just once per territory. So if you have for example a name mountain range and a named river in the same territory, that's +6 influence in that territory, and on most map settings landmarks are quite common.

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a year ago
Aug 31, 2023, 7:27:03 PM

I would agree with that, it certainly felt very powerful in my game, massive amount of early influence

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a year ago
Aug 31, 2023, 9:06:55 PM

It can be a big swingy based on your location; its strength relies on having some landmarks nearby, but it's also no sleeper on natural wonders.


I'm running a current beta game with the PN and while I haven't found any landmarks yet, I've found two wonders, and it's encouraged me to settle them, and it's making for a strange and wonderful game.  My outposts at the Blue Hole and Mt Kilimanjaro are generating more science and influence than my city at the moment. :)

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a year ago
Aug 31, 2023, 9:08:59 PM
The-Cat-o-Nine-Tales wrote:

When testing this trait with the VIPs, we actually had to nerf it quite heavily from the original design because they would (as some VIPs put it) "out-Olmec the Olmecs" quite easily.

Just for clarity: The trait applies for each piece of a landmark in your territories, not just once per territory. So if you have for example a name mountain range and a named river in the same territory, that's +6 influence in that territory, and on most map settings landmarks are quite common.

I'm also seeing a subtle difference from the VIP-to-beta which is landmarks don't give you influence until you reveal all of it and "earn the name".  I think I like this because it means you don't benefit from a landmark's "story" until you learn all of it.


That means, as dongliz has pointed out, you might not benefit from some mountain landmarks until the Industrial era (or the Inca's mountain revealing EQ).

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