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Medium tank, completely obsolete with one technology

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3 years ago
Sep 26, 2021, 12:04:38 PM

No it is not the main battle tank that is the issue here as that one require uranium and while the medium tank upgrade to it, you need in general atleast 3 more techs, Composite Armor to unlock the main battle tank and two techs Research Institute and Uranium Separation to unlock the uranium mine. The  issue is the other unit unlocked with Composite Armor, The Armored Person Carrier (APC), lets compare medium tank with APC:


Medium Tank on left APC on the right:

  • Combat Strength 61 vs 62, so APC is slightly stronger
  • Range 6 vs 6, so no advantage to either
  • Movement 8 vs 8, again no advantage to either
  • Special Ability, non for tank, Suppression for APC which is a powerful ability that give enemy non armored units -5 strength and block them from moving a huge advantage for APC.
  • Both are classified as armored, so both are immune to the surpression debuff but vulnerable to armor piercing, no advantage to either.
  • Industry cost 7400 vs 3700, so APC only cost half as much, yet another huge advantage.
  • Population cost, 2 vs 2, no difference.
  • Resource cost 2 iron and 2 oil vs 2 iron and 3 oil, this may be the only reason keeping the medium tank in use as you need one more oil to build APC.
  • Technology Continuous Track for tank which is the prerequest for Composite Armor needed to build APC, so the tech gap is very small.
So if you have access to 3 oil, medium tank is pretty much going to be completely obsolete in such short amount of time it is probably not worth building, APC is half as costly to build but significantly better as it have suppression and more combat strength. Only reason to build medium tank at this point is for upgarde them into main battle tanks but that cost like 15k money per tank which is a lot.


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3 years ago
Sep 26, 2021, 1:43:24 PM
Jojo_Fr wrote:

Your demonstration is convincing.
Thanks for the post :)

Well thanks, should probably try to find all these cases eventually.

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3 years ago
Sep 26, 2021, 8:00:59 PM

You did not seem to take into account the fact the unit is armored (edit : I'm not sure if the APC has also that stat per say, my apologies if it's not relevant, I was a bit hasty). I mean... it do not make that much difference in battle from what I've seen, but it's still there. (But yeah, even with that, what painfully and masterfully make your point. Tanks are not that great all things considered. Which, in itself, is somewhat realistic by the way.)

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3 years ago
Sep 26, 2021, 8:02:04 PM
Aeram wrote:

You did not seem to take into account the fact the unit is armored. I mean... it do not make that much difference in battle from what I've seen, but it's still there. (But yeah, even with that, what painfully and masterfully make your point. Tanks are not that great all things considered. Which, in itself, is somewhat realistic by the way.)

Both the tank and APC are armored, so no advantage to either. Armored is important as it make them immune against surpression debuff but also make them vulnerable to armor piercing from anti tank gun and main battle tank.

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3 years ago
Sep 26, 2021, 9:31:42 PM

One might reasonably assume that an APC (being an armored personnel carrier) would have further movement than a tank, and cost significantly more population (since it is infantry afterall).
One could possibly argue that an APC should take reduced damage when attacked, but no reduced damage when attacking. But I would instead claim that there needs to be different levels of armored. An APC (take a Bradley) has some armor to handle small arms fire, but would be worthless against an actual tank round. I would go so far as to say that in addition to hitpoints there need to be armor points and weapon piercing stats. So that if a weapons piercing ability is higher than the targets armor, the bonus from armor is removed. If it falls short, then damage is reduced in some significant way. This would allow units with similar overall combat strength, to have vastly different roles while engaged in a battle.

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3 years ago
Sep 26, 2021, 10:06:08 PM

What @rendymonyab said - there's armored and there's ARMORED.  the APC is going to ignore most small round fire, but hit with something larger the tank would brush off it's going to be destroyed.

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2 years ago
Dec 1, 2022, 10:16:18 PM

You are correct.

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2 years ago
Dec 2, 2022, 2:53:34 PM
SpikedWallMan wrote:
Goodluck wrote:

It was a year ago

It's spam.  If you look closely, there is a very subtle link in the post that you just quoted (which you may want to remove from your quote to protect other users).

Yes, ur right, didn´t spotted earlier. Thx

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2 years ago
Nov 4, 2022, 11:56:15 AM
Goodluck wrote:

It was a year ago

It's spam.  If you look closely, there is a very subtle link in the post that you just quoted (which you may want to remove from your quote to protect other users).

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